Soros raising $75 million in effort to defeat Bush [Archive]

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08-12-2003, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by JR+Aug 12 2003, 07:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Aug 12 2003, 07:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
i think its safe to say that George Soros "gets it" considering he never bets wrong and is one of the best investors on this planet, well know for solid, long term thinking.[/b][/quote]
yeah, sure,
I am SURE you heard about him making $1 bil shorting British Pound but I
bet you never heard him:
1) losing 1 bil shorting Japanese yen a year later
2) losing TON buying Internet stocks at the TOP of the market....

NEXT!
;-))))

Torone

08-12-2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 12 2003, 07:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 12 2003, 07:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -JR@Aug 12 2003, 07:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
i think its safe to say that George Soros "gets it" considering he never bets wrong and is one of the best investors on this planet, well know for solid, long term thinking.
yeah, sure,
I am SURE you heard about him making $1 bil shorting British Pound but I
bet you never heard him:
1) losing 1 bil shorting Japanese yen a year later
2) losing TON buying Internet stocks at the TOP of the market....

NEXT!
;-))))[/b][/quote]
JR,
:nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya:

08-12-2003, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 12 2003, 05:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 12 2003, 05:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -JR@Aug 12 2003, 07:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
i think its safe to say that George Soros "gets it" considering he never bets wrong and is one of the best investors on this planet, well know for solid, long term thinking.
yeah, sure,
I am SURE you heard about him making $1 bil shorting British Pound but I
bet you never heard him:
1) losing 1 bil shorting Japanese yen a year later
2) losing TON buying Internet stocks at the TOP of the market....

NEXT!
;-))))[/b][/quote]
name some tech stocks he bought during the .com lunacy.

to the best of my recollection he was pretty much against investing in anything to do with that brief era... i remember him saying exactly the opposite... and i can remember an interview where he was asked about it directly and he said something like "investing in over valued stocks with no performance history is not a sound, long term strategy"

the most money he lost was in Russia actually and said that were some of the shittiest investments he made in his life.

PornoDoggy

08-12-2003, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Torone@Aug 12 2003, 07:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
Perhaps you can persuade him to raise a little money for you.

You could spend it to ....

Buy yourself a clue

Besides, I have it on good authority that Bush is as extreme left as Trotsky. You should be glad someone is trying to defeat him.

08-12-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Torone+Aug 12 2003, 05:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Torone @ Aug 12 2003, 05:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Aug 12 2003, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by -JR@Aug 12 2003, 07:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
i think its safe to say that George Soros "gets it" considering he never bets wrong and is one of the best investors on this planet, well know for solid, long term thinking.
yeah, sure,
I am SURE you heard about him making $1 bil shorting British Pound but I
bet you never heard him:
1) losing 1 bil shorting Japanese yen a year later
2) losing TON buying Internet stocks at the TOP of the market....

NEXT!
;-))))
JR,
:nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya:[/b][/quote]
Torone, when you finally have an original thought that belongs 100% to yourself and not someone else, please feel free to post a reply.

Buff

08-12-2003, 10:02 AM

Maybe Soros can get someone in there who will cut my taxes significantly and reduce federal spending to something under $1 trillion instead of the $2+ trillion it's at now.

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08-12-2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by JR@Aug 12 2003, 08:46 AM

name some tech stocks he bought during the .com lunacy.

to the best of my recollection he was pretty much against investing in anything to do with that brief era... i remember him saying exactly the opposite... and i can remember an interview where he was asked about it directly and he said something like "investing in over valued stocks with no performance history is not a sound, long term strategy"

the most money he lost was in Russia actually and said that were some of the shittiest investments he made in his life.
JR,
no can do...but if you do some searches about his hedge funds dated 2000,
and him firing his hedge funds managers for investing in those stocks, the names will pop up
;-))

he is NOT as "I see thru future" as he wants us to beleive
;-)))

Petr

08-12-2003, 11:27 AM

Serge is correct.

http://archive.salon.com/people/bc/2001/03/27/soros/

...
No wager was bigger than the time in September 1992 when he risked $10 billion -- billion with a B -- that the British pound would fall. His instinct was right: That night, while Soros slept in his apartment on New York's Fifth Avenue, he made $1 billion from the trade. Ultimately his profit reached almost $2 billion -- and earned him international notoriety

...

And then it all went to hell. Soros lost $2 billion in Russia's default in 1998. The following year he made a big bet that Internet stocks would fall. The basic idea was right, but he was about a year too early, and he quickly lost $700 million. Then he rushed to buy up a bunch of tech stocks, which sank. His embarrassing losses mounted to almost $3 billion when the NASDAQ ultimately did crash in the spring of 2000. That's when Soros announced that he was withdrawing from an active role at Quantum, which he would transform from a high-risk speculative fund into a conservative institution -- a move like Babe Ruth pledging that he would only try to hit singles from now on.

...

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08-12-2003, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Petr@Aug 12 2003, 10:35 AM
Serge is correct.

http://archive.salon.com/people/bc/2001/03/27/soros/

...
No wager was bigger than the time in September 1992 when he risked $10 billion -- billion with a B -- that the British pound would fall. His instinct was right: That night, while Soros slept in his apartment on New York's Fifth Avenue, he made $1 billion from the trade. Ultimately his profit reached almost $2 billion -- and earned him international notoriety

...

And then it all went to hell. Soros lost $2 billion in Russia's default in 1998. The following year he made a big bet that Internet stocks would fall. The basic idea was right, but he was about a year too early, and he quickly lost $700 million. Then he rushed to buy up a bunch of tech stocks, which sank. His embarrassing losses mounted to almost $3 billion when the NASDAQ ultimately did crash in the spring of 2000. That's when Soros announced that he was withdrawing from an active role at Quantum, which he would transform from a high-risk speculative fund into a conservative institution -- a move like Babe Ruth pledging that he would only try to hit singles from now on.

...
thank you, Petr!

small correction to your article quote, though...

"His instinct was right"
is not exactly correct.
it was NOT a hunch,
it was a statement of UK Minister of Fincna (ExChecker (sp?) that in his opinion British Pound is overvalued,
Soros took it to heart and made a killing
;-)))

SykkBoy

08-12-2003, 01:42 PM

"Once we realize that imperfect understanding is the human condition there is no shame in being wrong, only in failing to correct our mistakes. " - George Soros

JFK

08-12-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by JR+Aug 12 2003, 05:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Aug 12 2003, 05:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Aug 12 2003, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by -JR@Aug 12 2003, 07:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
i think its safe to say that George Soros "gets it" considering he never bets wrong and is one of the best investors on this planet, well know for solid, long term thinking.
yeah, sure,
I am SURE you heard about him making $1 bil shorting British Pound but I
bet you never heard him:
1) losing 1 bil shorting Japanese yen a year later
2) losing TON buying Internet stocks at the TOP of the market....

NEXT!
;-))))

the most money he lost was in Russia actually and said that were some of the shittiest investments he made in his life.[/b][/quote]
Gotta watch these Russians <_<

Lenny

08-12-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
That's funny, and here I was thinking that Gore won the popular vote

wig

08-12-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Lenny+Aug 12 2003, 05:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lenny @ Aug 12 2003, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
That's funny, and here I was thinking that Gore won the popular vote[/b][/quote]
So Gore IS a Democommie in your opinion? :blink:

Buff

08-12-2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Lenny+Aug 12 2003, 04:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lenny @ Aug 12 2003, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
That's funny, and here I was thinking that Gore won the popular vote[/b][/quote]
Well, if you don't count all the m ilitary votes thrown out and the over 200,000 votes thrown out in Cook County (oh, you didn't hear about that in the mainstream news, did you), and if negate all the ballot box stuffing in the black disricts with dead people voting and such, it's fair to say Bush won the popular vote too.

PornoDoggy

08-12-2003, 07:54 PM

Blah blah blah blah blah ... for every illegal "black" vote in Chicago (or any other large metro area) there was a cancelled black vote in Florida, or a brain-dead nursing home straight ticket Republican vote in the 'burbs of any large Metro area or throughout Swampwest Missouri, down in Ashcroft Country.

BTW, the military votes thrown out were more than offset by the ones counted late, or counted without proper notarization - and number in the hundreds. Legitimate claims of "inadvertant" :rolleyes: deletion of black voters from the rolls in Dade County alone dwarf the number of "disenfranchised" military.

Nixon refused to sue over the '60 election in part because he knew he was every bit as vulnerable to charges of voter fraud in Ohio, Indiana, and parts of California as the Daly Dead Votes in Chicago or the Landslide Lyndon votes in Texas. About the only thing unique about last year's election is that it was so fucking close, and some of the tactics used in Florida were more reminiscent of 1940 than 1960 (or 2000).

Now, if Robert Kennedy had been governor of Massachusets and the election hinged on that, I'm sure there would have been more eyebrows raised. The Morones of the world would still be crying foul ... and whining about the 'spiracy.

ulfie

08-12-2003, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 12 2003, 07:02 PM
Blah blah blah blah blah ... for every illegal "black" vote in Chicago (or any other large metro area) there was a cancelled black vote in Florida, or a brain-dead nursing home straight ticket Republican vote in the 'burbs of any large Metro area or throughout Swampwest Missouri, down in Ashcroft Country.

PD, the democrats showed up with absentee ballots at the nursing home my mother is in during the last several elections. They wanted her to vote straight democrat. Thankfully her mind is in good enough condition that she told them gfy and that she would vote on her own.

I'm sure Republicans do the same elsewhere but the things I've seen Democrats do is just shameless. I went to a Dick Gephardt town meeting a few years ago and got tossed out for asking a question he didn't like. I tried to go to an Al Gore meeting and wasn't allowed in by my union "brothers" because they knew I was going to say things he didn't want to hear.

Politics in the country is a mess. I say vote for me. I'm going to pay off my friends but it won't cost you that much because I don't have a lot of friends. :)

Hooper

08-12-2003, 10:06 PM

I've never been fond of Bush and his republifacists... but i would say that he has instituted a pretty powerful tax cut that may well benefit only some americans, but it benefits us big time!

That said, i'll vote democommy next year as I have for my entire life.

Last edited by Hooper at Aug 12 2003, 09:14 PM

Mike AI

08-12-2003, 10:49 PM

Soros is an idiot who has so much money he is out of touch with REALITY....

It it not that I love BUSH, but to spend millions to DEFEAT someone is absurd... why don't Soros pick a candidate and support him with that money?

Does he really want Dean or some other nut cake to be running the country??

I wish the democrats would come back to earth ( at least the party activist ) because the technocrats that run the show are BEYOND liberal. They are out of touch with most Americans.... this is why there is a Republican countroled Congress, and White House - not to mention most state gov'ts!!

They need to get more mainstream candidates.... the problem is to win nomination you have to appeal to the berkely liberals....

I hope they Dean gets the nomination.... can you say McGovern? Dukakis?

I support Bush 100% on his foreign policy, and war on terror - but his domestic agenda sucks ass!! ( cutting taxs was a good however)

PornoDoggy

08-12-2003, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by ulfie+Aug 12 2003, 08:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ulfie @ Aug 12 2003, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Aug 12 2003, 07:02 PM
Blah blah blah blah blah ... for every illegal "black" vote in Chicago (or any other large metro area) there was a cancelled black vote in Florida, or a brain-dead nursing home straight ticket Republican vote in the 'burbs of any large Metro area or throughout Swampwest Missouri, down in Ashcroft Country.

PD, the democrats showed up with absentee ballots at the nursing home my mother is in during the last several elections. They wanted her to vote straight democrat. Thankfully her mind is in good enough condition that she told them gfy and that she would vote on her own.

I'm sure Republicans do the same elsewhere but the things I've seen Democrats do is just shameless. I went to a Dick Gephardt town meeting a few years ago and got tossed out for asking a question he didn't like. I tried to go to an Al Gore meeting and wasn't allowed in by my union "brothers" because they knew I was going to say things he didn't want to hear.

Politics in the country is a mess. I say vote for me. I'm going to pay off my friends but it won't cost you that much because I don't have a lot of friends. :)[/b][/quote]
Ulfie ... you and I can swap horror stories about vote fraud until Chelsea runs against one of Jeb's daughters. We can talk about the election of 2000, we can talk about the election of 1960, we can talk about Landslide Lyndon and mystery ballot box 13 ... and at no point will either one of us trump the other in such a way that the other would be forced to acknowledge it.

I am a Democrat - partly out of ideaology, but just as much due to fact that the Republican party is so dominated by the far right and the religious fanatics that some like McCain is considered too liberal for the Tor-er-Moron(e)s and Buff-oons of the world.

But I'm also a realist. Anyone, Democrat or Republican, who says that the other side cheats more than their side does is just plain dumb.

But what do I know ... I read Marx.

PornoDoggy

08-12-2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 12 2003, 09:57 PM
Soros is an idiot who has so much money he is out of touch with REALITY....

It it not that I love BUSH, but to spend millions to DEFEAT someone is absurd... why don't Soros pick a candidate and support him with that money?

Does he really want Dean or some other nut cake to be running the country??

I wish the democrats would come back to earth ( at least the party activist ) because the technocrats that run the show are BEYOND liberal. They are out of touch with most Americans.... this is why there is a Republican countroled Congress, and White House - not to mention most state gov'ts!!

They need to get more mainstream candidates.... the problem is to win nomination you have to appeal to the berkely liberals....

I hope they Dean gets the nomination.... can you say McGovern? Dukakis?

I support Bush 100% on his foreign policy, and war on terror - but his domestic agenda sucks ass!! ( cutting taxs was a good however)
Mikey, Mikey, Mikey ... how many millions of dollars does the munitions lobby pour into defeating candidates every year? How many other groups, left and right, work hard to defeat politicians they disagree with? Or is it only bad when it's a liberal doing it?

And for a guy who believes his education superior to those of us plebian folks who went to public schools, it's a friggin shame they never taught you to count.

Your Republicans controll Congress is by a pretty slim margin, was elected in great part because of a perceived national emergency, and could be wiped out in the next election with a swing of less than 5% of the vote.

Your non-beloved leader (who you comparing him to this week? FDR? Reagan? Teddy Roosevelt?) was elected on a technicality. Yes, it is all constitutional - but it's a technicality nonetheless. And it doesn't take much of an imagination to realize just how tight your panties would be knotted if the election had been just as close but gone to Gore. Like I said, you put a Kennedy as governor of the contested state and a liberal justice (with two sons working for Gore's campaign) casting the deciding recount vote in the Supreme Court and we'd be rehashing the "Impeach William O Douglas" rhetoric of the 60s.

I happen to agree with your comparisson of Dean to McGovern. If my choice was between Bush and Dean I'd be hard-pressed to pick a candiate. I have never cared for extremists of any stripe. Bush may not be one himself - the jury's still out on that - but he owes way to much to them for me not to consider him one.

And Berkley liberals? Ohmygawd ... you borrowing lines from Morone now?

Last edited by PornoDoggy at Aug 12 2003, 10:17 PM

Mike AI

08-12-2003, 11:13 PM

PD when it comes to foreign policy Bush has clear vision like Teddy.

Get over it. You are so brain washed you will never give Bush credit for anything....

I like Bush as a person, wish he would be more dynamic at home - but he keeps trying to work with the democrats which is his problem.

Go back to reading Marx.... it might lead you to the right a little! haha

ulfie

08-12-2003, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 12 2003, 09:59 PM
But I'm also a realist. Anyone, Democrat or Republican, who says that the other side cheats more than their side does is just plain dumb.

We agree on that. Politicians in general are sleazy and will do anything to get elected. Our polititical system is so messed up it's amazing. Get elected, go to Washington, come home a millionaire. That's not how it was supposed to work. People that are blindly loyal to parties are idiots in my opinion. I am one of the 10 people in this country that actually takes the time to review the candidates before I vote rather than just pushing the party lever button. We've had some very good Democrats here that I have voted for so don't paint me as a 1 party guy.

PornoDoggy

08-12-2003, 11:31 PM

Mikey - if GW ever does anything to deserve credit for, I'll give it to him. So far I haven't seen it. About all I've seen him do thus far is write checks my grandkids will be paying - in money and quite possibly in blood.

Maybe Bush does have the imperialsitic vision of Teddy Roosevelt - an entirely appropriate attitude for 100 years ago. However, if you read a little 20th century history you will discover that some very nasty things happened to the Imperial powers of 100 years ago. The U.S. was spared much of that fate because we were still developing as a nation, and a lot of people considered imperialism as a decidedly UN-American idea.

I guess we agree on one more thing ... I too wish Bush would quit trying to work with the Democrats and show his true colors. Considering that in spite of the new math that you and Morone like to employ, I figure you've got a 40/40 split between Republicans and Democrats, with the last 20% as swing voters in the middle. A tilt too far to the right would get blow the cover on the myth of compassionate conservatism and send his happy ass back to Texas faster'n you can say 1992.

And come on, Mikey ... "brainwashed" is even more ate-up than "Berkley liberals."

Mike AI

08-12-2003, 11:36 PM

I have all PROFESSIONAL politicans, and layers!!

Does this make me bad??

PornoDoggy

08-12-2003, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by ulfie+Aug 12 2003, 10:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ulfie @ Aug 12 2003, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Aug 12 2003, 09:59 PM
But I'm also a realist. Anyone, Democrat or Republican, who says that the other side cheats more than their side does is just plain dumb.

We agree on that. Politicians in general are sleazy and will do anything to get elected. Our polititical system is so messed up it's amazing. Get elected, go to Washington, come home a millionaire. That's not how it was supposed to work. People that are blindly loyal to parties are idiots in my opinion. I am one of the 10 people in this country that actually takes the time to review the candidates before I vote rather than just pushing the party lever button. We've had some very good Democrats here that I have voted for so don't paint me as a 1 party guy.[/b][/quote]
You betcha - our political system is messed up. This fucked up, messed up corrupt system is a disgrace.

Of course, under this fucked up, messed up corrupt system we have become the most powerful nation on earth, where we enjoy a lifestyle that is the envy of most of the world (including some who love to do nothing but criticize it).

As a liberal, I believe in defending the underdog :) - and that includes the nasty politicians who, like the poor, have always been with us. I respect some, despise many, many more on both sides of the aisle ... but spare me from the zealots who would replace them. I'd rather have some experienced people who know the art of compromise (and the value of a buck) rather than an activist with an axe to grind - whether it's somebody from PETA wanting to save all the micororganisms, or someone from Acme lumber who never met a tree he didn't want to cut down.

Churchhill once said that democracy is the worst form of government, except all others. I kinda feel that way about our government. Bitch about it, whine about it, curse it, scream at it ...

and don't change a fucking thing.

PornoDoggy

08-12-2003, 11:44 PM

and don't change a fucking thing.*

*With the exception, of course, of
Gephardt in 2004

Vick

08-12-2003, 11:52 PM

all and any forms of government have inherent flaws, it's not our system per se. In fact the job the founding fathers of the US did is amazing

Basically power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

and I'll keep saying it, anyone who runs for the office of the President of the USA is ...
unfit for the office

ulfie

08-13-2003, 12:09 AM

PD, would you not agree to get elected these days it takes a lot of money? Guess what, when you take a ton of money from people to get elected you become beholden to them. People can rant all they want about Bush being beholden to big oil but Democrats are equally beholden to unions and other special interests as well.

As far as I'm concerned Bush has acted as a leader. People may not like his decisions but that's what leaders do. Sometimes you have to have to make unpopular decisions for the greater good. He may well get voted out of office for it.

I don't agree with all of his policies but I'm glad he's there instead of Al Bore.

PornoDoggy

08-13-2003, 12:27 AM

Do you really think Bush's big oil connections - or any business connections, for that matter - are what worries me? Nothing could be further from the truth.

Do I agree with the idea that every decision has to be made with the intersts of business alone in mind? No - but unlike some morons, I don't read anything too particularly sinister into that.

No ... Bush, and the Mullahs who put him in office, have an agenda that is every bit as radical as anything any Democrat has ever advocated. There are an awful lot of things that have transpired since the advent of the New Deal that has stuck in the craw of the reactionary set they represent.

ulfie

08-13-2003, 12:38 AM

So, I'm a moron now? Nice try at spin but it didn't fly. Being an asshole and a moron in the same month is the highlight of my life. You know what I said was the truth but you can't let yourself admit it. Set yourself free from the bondage of your party loyalty. :)

PornoDoggy

08-13-2003, 01:27 AM

Huh? No, I didn't call you a moron. And if you read what I wrote, the only way I was calling you a moron is if you are one of the people who find Bush's business background as something sinister.

Now, about the asshole, I certainly won't dispute that. :)

I will agree that he has often looked like a leader. He does much better at that in still photos or when someone else is speaking, IMHO.

Of course, I suspect that General Custer looked like a damn fine leader too.

08-13-2003, 03:30 AM

greed is bad.
rich people are bad.
money is bad.
economists are bad.
government is bad.
globalization is bad.
pepsi is bad.
levis are bad.
MTV is bad (except for all the titties and tight shorts)

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08-13-2003, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by JR@Aug 13 2003, 02:38 AM

levis are bad.

this anti-semitic remark was uncalled for!
;-)))))

Almighty Colin

08-13-2003, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 13 2003, 04:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 13 2003, 04:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Aug 13 2003, 02:38 AM

levis are bad.

this anti-semitic remark was uncalled for!
;-)))))[/b][/quote]
Ron's going to be pissed.

08-13-2003, 05:07 AM

Oh my R_n!
what have i done?

Almighty Colin

08-13-2003, 05:08 AM

I think "the system" is fine. I think the politicians are fine. For me, it comes down to what would replace the current system of politicans vying for votes. Whatever its inadequacies are, who can think of anything better? Anything I've ever heard of is so full of even worse holes that you arrive back at square one very quickly.

08-13-2003, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by Colin@Aug 13 2003, 01:16 AM
I think "the system" is fine. I think the politicians are fine. For me, it comes down to what would replace the current system of politicans vying for votes. Whatever its inadequacies are, who can think of anything better? Anything I've ever heard of is so full of even worse holes that you arrive back at square one very quickly.
its funny that no matter how good things are... people are complaining that things have never been worse. even to say "things are ok" is partisan politics to 1/2 the crowd.

Torone

08-13-2003, 08:05 AM

Pd, JR, Hooper, et al,
Want an original thought? Try turning off your favorite network, CNN and stop your subscription to your favorite Democommie rag. Instead, turn on Fox News. Read Ann Coulter.

When you have cleared the Communist propaganda from your lives and minds, look around you. Where would you be under the kind of gov't the Democommies want in place? Check out the tax rates in the countries you wish to emulate. How free are the people? Ask yourself this question: What have the Democommies done for me in the 40 years that they had control? If you have to turn to their promises, how many of those have they actually kept? Of the things you THINK they did for you, how many were acually done by Republicans? How many of their doom-and-gloom predictions have actually happened?

I submit that you won't even bother to try to answer, because democommunism is your RELIGION!

Original thought? How about this:
The end of the Soviet Union was NOT THE END OF COMMUNISM AS A THREAT! Communism is alive and well in this country. It's in the Liberal agenda; and in the bloated federal beaurocracy. It exists in many so-called 'private' organizations...Rainbow Coalition, NAALCP, the Greens, The Democommie party, even certain Republicans.

There are some original thoughts and ideas. You won't hear them even on talk radio. Of course, you don't listen to anything except FM or NPR...

I repeat (remember, these are temporary stand-ins for the finger smilie) :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya:

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PornoDoggy

08-13-2003, 10:31 AM

How is it that one cannot have an original thought if you listen listen to NPR or CNN - but can have original thoughts by parrotting Ann Coulter?

I would submit to you that you are every bit as simple minded and "flat earth" oriented as the Communists you despise. You are nothing more than a brainwashed fellow traveller to the factists, with a head full of pseudofacts and a very short list of pavlovian responses to anything that doesn't fit into your narrow and outdated view of the world.

The last time you had an original thought, I suspect, was about the time that Colin Powell was a West Point Cadet.

08-13-2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Torone@Aug 13 2003, 04:13 AM
Pd, JR, Hooper, et al,
Want an original thought? Try turning off your favorite network, CNN and stop your subscription to your favorite Democommie rag. Instead, turn on Fox News. Read Ann Coulter.

When you have cleared the Communist propaganda from your lives and minds, look around you. Where would you be under the kind of gov't the Democommies want in place? Check out the tax rates in the countries you wish to emulate. How free are the people? Ask yourself this question: What have the Democommies done for me in the 40 years that they had control? If you have to turn to their promises, how many of those have they actually kept? Of the things you THINK they did for you, how many were acually done by Republicans? How many of their doom-and-gloom predictions have actually happened?

I submit that you won't even bother to try to answer, because democommunism is your RELIGION!

Original thought? How about this:
The end of the Soviet Union was NOT THE END OF COMMUNISM AS A THREAT! Communism is alive and well in this country. It's in the Liberal agenda; and in the bloated federal beaurocracy. It exists in many so-called 'private' organizations...Rainbow Coalition, NAALCP, the Greens, The Democommie party, even certain Republicans.

There are some original thoughts and ideas. You won't hear them even on talk radio. Of course, you don't listen to anything except FM or NPR...

I repeat (remember, these are temporary stand-ins for the finger smilie) :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya:
wow. Torone, i try real hard to see some hint of humor or sarcasm in your rants. i think i do it as a defensive mechanism because you scare me. no person is more dangerous than the person that believes his view, an extreme view is the only correct view. why are you different than any extremist? whats the difference between how you think and how the average member of the Taliban thinks? i see no difference. you don't talk about opinions or personal beliefs, but rather you confuse those opinions with fact.

i just read Treason by the way if that makes you feel better. Like everything else in politics, its one side of a two sided story. too bad there are people like you that can't understand that. its people that think like you do that makes the world unsafe. its people that think like you that organize genocides, wars and crimes against humanity. people that can't be wrong. people that "see the truth" and lives in a state of perpetual frustration that no one else "get's it".

There is a reason that people like you end up in the hills of Idaho digging bunkers and hoarding weapons, canned food and bottled water while under the watchful eye of FBI.

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08-13-2003, 11:22 AM

the irony Torone is that you were challenged with trying to come up with an original thought and again,... you could not manage anything more than parrot a.m. talk radio and Rush Limbaugh in the form of questions rather than intelligent and well thought out remarks or comments.

are you typical of all truck drivers? should i start using air mail more for the big packages?

Vick

08-13-2003, 11:30 AM

When reading threads like this I ask myself
WWSD - (What Would Sid Do)?

After 30 seconds thought I come to the conclusion that if Sid Vicious were alive and here reading this after shooting up a couple dime bags of Heroin and slicing open his arms and chest with razor blades

Anarchy for the USA
It's coming sometime, maybe
Give the wrong time
Stop a traffic line
Your future dream is a shopping scheme
'Cause I wanna be, anarchy
Well it's the only way to be

Ha ha ha ha ha ha
There are many ways to get what you want I use the best, well I use the rest
Well I use the enemy
I use anarchy
'Cause I, I wanna be, anarchy
Fuck the rat race man

Is this the PMRC
Or is this the DEA
Or is this the CIA
I thought it was the U.S.A.
Or just another country
Some other fuckin' country

SykkBoy

08-13-2003, 01:53 PM

Damnit Vick, quoting Sex Pistols lyrics always bring a tear to my eye, you should know that, now I'm all misty eyed and can't read Torone's dittohead antics.....

Torone, are you saying I need to stop watching left leaning media and start watching right leaning media? I know it's human nature to find at least one other person who agrees with us and assume we are 100% right and there is no other side.

BTW, am I the only one who's already pre-ordered Al Franken's new book through amazon.com? ;-)

sextoyking

08-13-2003, 01:57 PM

Sykk,

The C-Span book show with Franken and O'reily was great. You can tell by watching them nothing was staged and there is no Love there :)

Lenny

08-13-2003, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Buff+Aug 12 2003, 03:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Aug 12 2003, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Lenny@Aug 12 2003, 04:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Aug 12 2003, 04:29 AM
They still don't get it...most Americans reject their Democommie agenda. :salute:
That's funny, and here I was thinking that Gore won the popular vote
Well, if you don't count all the m ilitary votes thrown out and the over 200,000 votes thrown out in Cook County (oh, you didn't hear about that in the mainstream news, did you), and if negate all the ballot box stuffing in the black disricts with dead people voting and such, it's fair to say Bush won the popular vote too.[/b][/quote]
I'm not going to get into an argument over the 2000 election, god knows that's been argued enough for 10 lifetimes.

My point is simply that Torone is way out of line by assuming that a majority of people disagree with the democrats agenda. No matter how you counted the votes it was still way too close for either candidate to have a "mandate".

As for the democommie remark, depending on how exactly you define that I guess you could put Gore in that category.