She asks U to stop after starting. U don't. Rape?

[Almighty Colin]

New Illinois Law says so. What do YOU think?

SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (AP) -- A new rape law in Illinois attempts to clarify the issue of consent by emphasizing that people can change their mind while having sex.

Under the law, if someone says "no" at any time the other person must stop or it becomes rape. The National Crime Victim Law Institute said it believed the law is the first of its kind in the country.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/30/rape.law/index.html

[Timon]

Damn that must be hard to prove....

She yelled "NO, NO, NOOO!!" ??

I thought she yelled "Oh, Oh, OOOHH!!"

;-))

[Sword]

Originally posted by Colin@Jul 30 2003, 09:01 AM
She asks U to stop after starting. U don't. Rape?
Yes.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Sword+Jul 30 2003, 09:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sword @ Jul 30 2003, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Jul 30 2003, 09:01 AM
She asks U to stop after starting. U don't. Rape?
Yes.[/b][/quote]
Agreed.

[sharky]

Who here hasn't been with a girl who has had 2nd thoughts after you start to have sex?

She says yesy, yes, yes before.. you get into.. 3 swift pumps and she has 2nd thoughts. You pull out, tell her it's OK and get on with life. Doing anything else is fucking stupid.

[wig]

3 swift pumps and you are probably done anyway. :nyanya:

[JR]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jul 30 2003, 07:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jul 30 2003, 07:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Sword@Jul 30 2003, 09:59 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Jul 30 2003, 09:01 AM
She asks U to stop after starting. U don't. Rape?
Yes.
Agreed.[/b][/quote]
no.

thats surprising. you worry about homeland security and big mean John Ashcroft coming to suck your brain and you dont worry that ANY woman can put you in prison for 20 years "just because" she may have been upset at you.

the problem i see is not the idea of consent or no consent. i think any normal person agrees that forced, or non-consensual sex is rape. the problem i see is that usually in a rape case, it is proveable. there is forensic evidence to support the fact that forced sex and a struggle have taken place. now we are talking about "consensual sex" where those things dont have to be present to prove "rape".

what is the burden of proof? "she said no after taking it in the ass, while scratching my back and the rest of my body all to hell for the last 45 minutes while telling me she could not get enough"

what about entrapment? how easy would that be? how do you prove a crime of this nature DIDN'T occure? how do you prove she didn't say no? you cant do it.

this looks to me like a situation ripe for abuse more than protecting the rights of innocent people.

[Timon]

what JR said

[BradShaw]

I get no all the time, then keep going. I read women like that. What woman does not want a man to take control.

[Timon]

Brad has a point, lot's of chicks say no while they're being seduced. Not because they don't want to fuck but because they don't want to look like a slut.

It's not a politically correct thing to say but a lot of times no does not necessarily mean no.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 30 2003, 11:20 AM
I get no all the time
I love honesty.........

:okthumb:

[Vick]

Actually if a woman says no to a man during actual intercourse his penis should go limp from embarrassment

If no is being said during, then something obviously isn't right with the situation

[BradShaw]

As for as Kobe, I bet he is innocent. The little slut just could not handle his big wanker.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Vick@Jul 30 2003, 01:12 PM
Actually if a woman says no to a man during actual intercourse his penis should go limp from embarrassment

If no is being said during, then something obviously isn't right with the situation
Agreed.

[Hooper]

i have a pair of bose noise cancelling headphones. they selectively block ambient noise, "no", and any sentence beginning with "honey can you". they're great.

i mean how do deaf people handle this? all that fondling, she's saying no, and you thought she was just rubbing her tits and begging for more.

:bjump:

[gigi]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jul 30 2003, 07:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jul 30 2003, 07:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Sword@Jul 30 2003, 09:59 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Jul 30 2003, 09:01 AM
She asks U to stop after starting. U don't. Rape?
Yes.
Agreed.[/b][/quote]
Agreed.

[gigi]

Originally posted by JR+Jul 30 2003, 08:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Jul 30 2003, 08:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Jul 30 2003, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by -Sword@Jul 30 2003, 09:59 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Jul 30 2003, 09:01 AM
She asks U to stop after starting. U don't. Rape?
Yes.
Agreed.
no.

thats surprising. you worry about homeland security and big mean John Ashcroft coming to suck your brain and you dont worry that ANY woman can put you in prison for 20 years "just because" she may have been upset at you.

the problem i see is not the idea of consent or no consent. i think any normal person agrees that forced, or non-consensual sex is rape. the problem i see is that usually in a rape case, it is proveable. there is forensic evidence to support the fact that forced sex and a struggle have taken place. now we are talking about "consensual sex" where those things dont have to be present to prove "rape".

what is the burden of proof? "she said no after taking it in the ass, while scratching my back and the rest of my body all to hell for the last 45 minutes while telling me she could not get enough"

what about entrapment? how easy would that be? how do you prove a crime of this nature DIDN'T occure? how do you prove she didn't say no? you cant do it.

this looks to me like a situation ripe for abuse more than protecting the rights of innocent people.[/b][/quote]
The scenario you give here already happens. This is no different than the way it is now....

[JR]

Originally posted by gigi+Jul 30 2003, 10:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gigi @ Jul 30 2003, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -JR@Jul 30 2003, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by -PornoDoggy@Jul 30 2003, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by -Sword@Jul 30 2003, 09:59 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Jul 30 2003, 09:01 AM
She asks U to stop after starting. U don't. Rape?
Yes.
Agreed.
no.

thats surprising. you worry about homeland security and big mean John Ashcroft coming to suck your brain and you dont worry that ANY woman can put you in prison for 20 years "just because" she may have been upset at you.

the problem i see is not the idea of consent or no consent. i think any normal person agrees that forced, or non-consensual sex is rape. the problem i see is that usually in a rape case, it is proveable. there is forensic evidence to support the fact that forced sex and a struggle have taken place. now we are talking about "consensual sex" where those things dont have to be present to prove "rape".

what is the burden of proof? "she said no after taking it in the ass, while scratching my back and the rest of my body all to hell for the last 45 minutes while telling me she could not get enough"

what about entrapment? how easy would that be? how do you prove a crime of this nature DIDN'T occure? how do you prove she didn't say no? you cant do it.

this looks to me like a situation ripe for abuse more than protecting the rights of innocent people.
The scenario you give here already happens. This is no different than the way it is now....[/b][/quote]
how can you say its not different? for someone to prove there was rape, they have to prove that they were raped. there is forensic evidence, the woman is examined, there is other evidence, there is testimony and witnesses etc.

we are not talking about that at all right now. we are talking about two people fucking and someone claiming after the fact that they said "no" at some point during intercourse - if all other evidence exists to show there was non consensual sex, then its rape no matter what right? then why the new law?

but they are not saying that. the law as i understand it simply requires someon to "say" they did not consent WHILE in the middle of consensual sex. thats hardly the same as being ambushed in the park at 1:00 am and ending up in the hospital for three weeks.

this law is redefining what rape is. why is that necessary?




Last edited by JR at Jul 30 2003, 11:06 AM

[Kittyfuzz]

Sounds like restating the obvious.

[gigi]

Originally posted by JR@Jul 30 2003, 11:05 AM
how can you say its not different? for someone to prove there was rape, they have to prove that they were raped. there is forensic evidence, the woman is examined, there is other evidence, there is testimony and witnesses etc.

we are not talking about that at all right now. we are talking about two people fucking and someone claiming after the fact that they said "no" at some point during intercourse - if all other evidence exists to show there was non consensual sex, then its rape no matter what right? then why the new law?

but they are not saying that. the law as i understand it simply requires someon to "say" they did not consent WHILE in the middle of consensual sex. thats hardly the same as being ambushed in the park at 1:00 am and ending up in the hospital for three weeks.

this law is redefining what rape is. why is that necessary?
The reason I say that is because very few 'rapes' are the 1am, walking through the park type rapes....most are casual 'friends' and acquaintances who spend the evening on a date and end up in bed....

Whether she said no from the very start or once things got hot is no matter.

The 'park' type rapes are very much what you describe ie: forensics, physical proof etc....

However, in most of date rape cases (the most common form of rape), there is a huge gray area because there isn't always clear physical proof......this is more common than not....

[BradShaw]

I heared rumor she did anal.....

[Menace]

It is.

But just like any other, it's yet one more thing for people to abuse for their own personal bullshit.

2 people fuck consentually. They go on with their lives, party "A" doesn't call and party "B" gets stupid.. The cycle begins and before you know it party "B" is in a court of law crying about saying no the entire time just to show their "power" in the exchange.

Yeah it's sick and wrong, but this kind of thing happens all the time with varying degrees of severity.

(edit)shouldn't use fingers after nap time(/edit)



Last edited by Menace at Jul 30 2003, 03:20 PM

[Pornwolf]

The current rules already give an insane amount of power to women over men that gets abused daily. It's a fact that more than 70% of all date rape victims end up sleeping with the man who they claimed raped them by free will! Women get emotional for one reason or another and send you to the pokey then regret it later.

[Hooper]

Whether she said no from the very start or once things got hot is no matter.

I think you need to be careful about how you refer to that situation. The law does not say anything about "once things get hot"... we're not talking about when you end up naked and then go.."gosh i better get going"... we're talking about a woman knowingly and purposely going upstairs at 1am, knowingly and purposefully having sex with a man, and then during the actual act of intercourse changing her mind.

Not sure how i feel about this, I dont know that it should be called "rape" because rape indicates forced non-concensual sex while the above situation was never forced or non-consensual.

[Mike AI]

No means No!

:unsure:

[gigi]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jul 30 2003, 01:51 PM
Whether she said no from the very start or once things got hot is no matter.

I think you need to be careful about how you refer to that situation. The law does not say anything about "once things get hot"... we're not talking about when you end up naked and then go.."gosh i better get going"... we're talking about a woman knowingly and purposely going upstairs at 1am, knowingly and purposefully having sex with a man, and then during the actual act of intercourse changing her mind.

Not sure how i feel about this, I dont know that it should be called "rape" because rape indicates forced non-concensual sex while the above situation was never forced or non-consensual.
If she agrees at first, and then backs down, that is her perogative.

I have a hard time swallowing the idea that once she agrees it is carved in stone and that she is bound to complete the activity...even if it turns sour for her.

I don't believe the current laws state that once she agrees, she must follow through with it. I also don't believe there is any set time limit on how long she has to pull out of the arrangement.

Like Mike says.....no is no.....no matter when it is said.

This new proposal only clarifies that as soon as 'no' is said, the activity is forfeit.

There have been, and always will be women who use the system for revenge or what have you. I hate these women because it makes it so much harder for the legitimate cases to be won. These women are also the ones that create indecisiveness in legitimate rape victims who are afraid to prosecute for fear of being labelled a liar.

I dont know that it should be called "rape" because rape indicates forced non-concensual sex while the above situation was never forced or non-consensual.

It became forced and non-consensual the minute she changed her mind and voiced her desire.

So, a guy and some hot chick start getting it on...the are butt ass naked and heavy into the petting. She stops and says no. He continues and finishes the job anyway despite her insistance to stop.

If you wouldn't call it rape.....what would you call it then?



Last edited by gigi at Jul 30 2003, 04:19 PM

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by gigi@Jul 30 2003, 07:17 PM
She stops and says no. He continues and finishes the job anyway despite her insistance to stop.

If you wouldn't call it rape.....what would you call it then?
A guy in need of a hearing aid.

[cj]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 04:45 PM
The current rules already give an insane amount of power to women over men that gets abused daily. It's a fact that more than 70% of all date rape victims end up sleeping with the man who they claimed raped them by free will! Women get emotional for one reason or another and send you to the pokey then regret it later.
have you got somewhere that backs up that 70% number or are you just an angry man who doesn't like the fact that women have rights at all?

this particular situation is a controversial gray area - so what would suggest should be done instead? the woman should just go home and smack herself on the wrist for being too trusting!?



I think you need to be careful about how you refer to that situation. The law does not say anything about "once things get hot"... we're not talking about when you end up naked and then go.."gosh i better get going"... we're talking about a woman knowingly and purposely going upstairs at 1am, knowingly and purposefully having sex with a man, and then during the actual act of intercourse changing her mind.


Hooper, there are plenty of reasons why the parties should be able to change their minds DURING AN ACT OF CONSENSUAL SEX. I agree it opens up a lot of opportunity for fraudulent claims on the women's behalf but think about yourself when you reach that point of 'damn i want to be inside this chick'. Ever had a moment of total lost control where right and wrong didn't matter?

What if a woman asks you to stop when ...
1) it hurts - woman says stop that hurts, can we move a bit. guy is too busy pounding and ignores request and she is in pain.
2) if he refuses to put on a condom, or if it comes off during sex
3) if both parties have agreed to try something new such as anal sex and it becomes painful

stupid thing about rules like this is that genuine cases where men have been total cunts can't be proved because there is a first level of consent. this law might make some guys think twice before they keep pumping.

[Pornwolf]

It's impossible to win in arguments like this with women because they refuse to beileve there are other, much less moral, women who do very stupid and evil things. I have seen guys hauled off to jail for tons of stuff that women 'said' they did that they actually didn't do. I have been a witness in court for two cases like this.

One was a 'He raped me, he's an animal blah blah blah" yet I was there that night fucking the other freind and they fixed us pancakes after sex. The other case was a 'he hit me' affair. I was in the home in another room and heard the whole thing. She started saying "this is the last time you are going to get away with cheating on me, I'm gonna call the police" She then made up a story and of course even with me coming out of the back room and telling what I heard we still had to bail him out because the police Still took him away.

Those are the dangers of being a successful man. Women do what they can to get you.

So CJ, it's nothing personal but your fellow women are fucked in the head. The laws are lopsided. If I weren't around to testify both of my friends would have been serving some kind of jail term thanks to the current rules. :angry:

[gigi]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 05:17 PM
It's impossible to win in arguments like this with women because they refuse to beileve there are other, much less moral, women who do very stupid and evil things. I have seen guys hauled off to jail for tons of stuff that women 'said' they did that they actually didn't do. I have been a witness in court for two cases like this.
Ermm....just to reiterate:

There have been, and always will be women who use the system for revenge or what have you. I hate these women because it makes it so much harder for the legitimate cases to be won. These women are also the ones that create indecisiveness in legitimate rape victims who are afraid to prosecute for fear of being labelled a liar.



Last edited by gigi at Jul 30 2003, 05:20 PM

[DAMNMAN]

I have been told to "stop" while having sex with a girl before. (Ego buster for sure!!!)
It seems she had a boyfriend and got second thoughts after she got hers. (True)

I stopped what I was doing in mid plunge and got the hell up. (Didn't get mine)
I couldn't even think to continue the sex and all I could do was tell her it was OK. (She felt bad about leaving me high and not-dry)

That said the law should include precise language to be used by the girl if she changes her mind in mid stroke.

I mean if a girl says "get off you fucking piece of shit" it could be taken the wrong way, with a Dominatrix for instance!!! :wnw:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 09:17 PM
So CJ, it's nothing personal but your fellow women are fucked in the head. The laws are lopsided. If I weren't around to testify both of my friends would have been serving some kind of jail term thanks to the current rules. :angry:
Umm....there are a lot more men that are "fucked in the head" that RAPE women then there are women who file false rape reports. :ph34r:

And many of the real rapes also go unreported.

I know the guys probably won't read this :awinky: BUT, if you want to read a harrowing true story about rape and what a female has to go through in order to complete a prosecution, read Lucky by Alice Sebold.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jul 30 2003, 05:26 PM
Umm....there are a lot more men that are "fucked in the head" that RAPE women then there are women who file false rape reports. :ph34r:

And many of the real rapes also go unreported.
I agree... for a certain income level. The reason we are discussing this is Kobe. I will venture to say about 90% of the rape cases involving rich or famous men are false.

What would you say?

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 09:33 PM
I agree... for a certain income level. The reason we are discussing this is Kobe. I will venture to say about 90% of the rape cases involving rich or famous men are false.

What would you say?
I honestly don't know. That would be an interesting statistic to look up!

[Pornwolf]

That's the point Peaches. We can't look up that statistic because in most cases the man is pronounced guilty based on the womans word.

[cj]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 08:17 PM
It's impossible to win in arguments like this with women because they refuse to beileve there are other, much less moral, women who do very stupid and evil things. I have seen guys hauled off to jail for tons of stuff that women 'said' they did that they actually didn't do. I have been a witness in court for two cases like this.

One was a 'He raped me, he's an animal blah blah blah" yet I was there that night fucking the other freind and they fixed us pancakes after sex. The other case was a 'he hit me' affair. I was in the home in another room and heard the whole thing. She started saying "this is the last time you are going to get away with cheating on me, I'm gonna call the police" She then made up a story and of course even with me coming out of the back room and telling what I heard we still had to bail him out because the police Still took him away.

Those are the dangers of being a successful man. Women do what they can to get you.

So CJ, it's nothing personal but your fellow women are fucked in the head. The laws are lopsided. If I weren't around to testify both of my friends would have been serving some kind of jail term thanks to the current rules. :angry:
Those are the dangers of being a successful man. Women do what they can to get you.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA
sob sob
poor successful men ;-( :cryin: :cryin: :-( :cryin: :cryin: :cryin:
they have to deal with so much! big bad women always trying to ruin their lives. :cryin: :cryin: :cryin: *rolling eyes* PUH-LEASE!!!!

Pornwolf, have you ever considered that you & your friends are chosing the wrong kind of women?

And did you know that 'suck it bitch' isn't actually foreplay?

You can take a black and white stand on this purely because you have been in a situation twice where this has happened.

What's the bet that the situations where women don't report a geniune rape outweigh 'girl cried wolf' cases by 100 to 1? The amount of women i've spoken to through my site who have been sexually assaulted, molestered or raped and never even considered reporting it is scary as hell.

Stories like yours are what make it impossible for women who have truly been through a traumatic experience to seek justice - or even piece of mind. The moment a woman says she was raped or sexually assaulted the reaction from people is 'faker' - thanks to stupid little attention seeking bitches who want to get revenge over a broken heart or whatever.

So go ahead and tell me more about my species and what I refuse to believe about our faults ... then we can start on what's wrong with men :biglaugh:

[Pornwolf]

Touche. I think any woman that is raped should be mad enough to try to murder the guy. Don't tell me it's not possible because when you all get mad ANYTHING is possible.

What is stopping your surfers from doing that at least?

[gigi]

Every two minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.

Surely you will agree that the rich man, lying bitch cases represent a VERY minor percentage of these assaults?

In 2001, there were 249,000 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. [2000 National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)]

Of these 249,000, 102,000 were victims of sexual assault, 63,000 were victims of attempted rape, and 84,000 were victims of completed rape. [2000 NCVS.]

Because of the methodology of the National Crime Victimization Survey, these figures do not include victims 12 or younger. While there are no reliable annual surveys of sexual assaults on children, the Justice Department has estimated that one of six victims are under age 12. [Child Rape Victims, 1992]

Approximately 66% of rape victims know their assailant. [2000 NCVS.]

Approximately 48% of victims are raped by a friend or acquaintance; 30% by a stranger; 16% by an intimate; 2% by another relative; and in 4% of cases the relationship is unknown. [2000 NCVS.]

About four out of ten sexual assaults take place at the victim’s own home. Two in ten take place in the home of a friend, neighbor or relative. One in ten take place outside, away from home. And about one in 12 take place in a parking garage. [Statistics from: Sex Offenses and Offenders. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, February 1997]

61% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. Those rapists, of course, never serve a day in prison. [1999 NCVS]

If the rape is reported to police, there is a 50.8% chance that an arrest will be made.

If an arrest is made, there is an 80% chance of prosecution.

If there is a prosecution, there is a 58% chance of a felony conviction.

If there is a felony conviction, there is a 69% chance the convict will spend time in jail.

So, even in the 39% of attacks that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison.

Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists—1 out of 16— will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free.

[Probability statistics compiled by NCPA from US Department of Justice statistics. See www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html]

For more stats see: http://www.rainn.org/statisticsarc.html

[cj]

Yes, I agree its possible for a woman who is raped to get angry and kill or hurt her attacker.

What's to stop my surfers from doing that?
nothing probably - except that law thing we have to abide by probably makes it happen less often than it could

but what does that have to do with the price of eggs in china on a hot day in october?

[gigi]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 05:50 PM
Touche. I think any woman that is raped should be mad enough to try to murder the guy. Don't tell me it's not possible because when you all get mad ANYTHING is possible.

What is stopping your surfers from doing that at least?
Hmm, let's see:

Get life in prison for killing my attacker....

or....

Attempt to heal myself and get on with life....

Hmmm.....hard decision....

[Pornwolf]

Absolutely nothing. Maiming a man after a rape is a crime that you most certainly will not serve prison time for.

Look ladies, I am not arguing for the many rape cases that are comitted by the average joe. Joe needs pussy, he has a hard time getting pussy and will do anything for it. How can I argue for him? I am only arguing for the rape cases charged against men who most women actually want to rape themselves. There is a class of women out there that can really be considered predators. They destroy the lives of men and even if they aren't successful they aren't reprimanded in any way.

The American legal system is fucked.

[gigi]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 06:07 PM
Absolutely nothing. Maiming a man after a rape is a crime that you most certainly will not serve prison time for.
Whew! Thanks for clarifying that. For a minute there I thought there was some law against murdering people.....especially during the act of vigilante justice!

:blink:

[DAMNMAN]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 30 2003, 08:45 PM


And did you know that 'suck it bitch' isn't actually foreplay?
In conjunction with other things 'suck it bitch' is definately foreplay.
I guess it depends on what else your doin' at the time, huh?

[Pornwolf]

I hope all you guys standing by reading this thread are enjoying yourselves. Pussies.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Pornwolf+Jul 30 2003, 08:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pornwolf @ Jul 30 2003, 08:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Peaches@Jul 30 2003, 05:26 PM
Umm....there are a lot more men that are "fucked in the head" that RAPE women then there are women who file false rape reports. :ph34r:

And many of the real rapes also go unreported.
I agree... for a certain income level. The reason we are discussing this is Kobe. I will venture to say about 90% of the rape cases involving rich or famous men are false.

What would you say?[/b][/quote]
Upon what do you base this statement? Rich guys "don't have" to rape?

Are there false charges of rape against some rich folks? Of course. Are ALL - or 90% (I hope you washed that off, since I suspect the figure came from pretty foul orifice) - of the charges of rape against "rich men" false? Interesting stat - where did it come from?

[Pornwolf]

Experience. Seeing these cases firsthand. Knowing a lot of the women beforehand. If you haven't been to the Superbowls, the prizefights or even with other basic rich people in your podunk area that have lots of women... please reserve your comments.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 10:32 PM
Experience. Seeing these cases firsthand. Knowing a lot of the women beforehand. If you haven't been to the Superbowls, the prizefights or even with other basic rich people in your podunk area that have lots of women... please reserve your comments.
The neighborhood I moved from 2 years ago was littered with sports stars (basketball, wrestling, baseball, football, etc.), coaches, nationally very well knowns politicians, and "rich" folks that had a lot more money than all the others I just mentioned. B)

In the 7 years I lived there, and the 20 years my parents have lived there, not a single one has been "accused" of sexual assault.

Maybe it's time to change the crowd you hang out with, or at least they should pick a different type of woman to have "consensual" sex with. :zoinks:

[DAMNMAN]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 09:19 PM
I hope all you guys standing by reading this thread are enjoying yourselves. Pussies.
One must tread lightly when speaking on the subject of rape with those who have been raped. Me thinks!!!

I like most men will never know (Hopefully) how it feels to be raped. (Voodooman is an exception of course!!!) Gotcha cuz

I as a man can do only a few things:
1) NOT RAPE ANYONE.
2) Make sure those around me are safe from rape to the best of my ability.
3) If someone close to me gets raped, I can kill or mame the MFer who did it. (This carries penalties of course)

The only other thing I'm sayin' is:
OK, you get the girl to sign the contract stating she is of willing mind and body to partake in some carnal knowledge.
The legal document acknowledges she has not been impared by any intoxicants of any kind.
You have two witnesses sign the legal document prior to startin' the fuckin' and suckin'.

You both fuck like rabits all night to mutual delight.

Later for whatever reason.............................
In the court room afterwards the signed and witnessed legal document described above is negated by the fact that the girl says she said "NO" in the middle of the sexual act.

NUFF SAID!!! :huh:

[Hooper]

If you wouldn't call it rape.....what would you call it then

I'm not going to argue this. it's something too emotional for people to consider it rationally.

my only point was that if you create an agreement to perform act x with somebody, you cant then turn around and scream that cancelling act x half way through the job is the same as the guy forcing act x on you in the beginning..

again, not saying it's ok to continue after a "no", just saying that rape is used to define a sex act that is forced from the beginning.

to me this is more akin to a breech of contract... sexual assault maybe... rape? no.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jul 30 2003, 06:37 PM
[QUOTE=Pornwolf,Jul 30 2003, 10:32 PM]Maybe it's time to change the crowd you hang out with, or at least they should pick a different type of woman to have "consensual" sex with. :zoinks:
Look Peaches, what you see and what i see are two different things. You see trees, grass and kids and I see nightclubs, awards shows and groupies. 2 different worlds even from your old neighborhood. Am I concerned about who I hang out with, no not at all. The female predators come with the package.

Pick a different type of woman? hahahaha! The wife in most cases is nothing like the women that are served up on a platter on a daily basis. I don't think many guys would turn down these women. We are talking about the hottest of the hot. You can only be so careful.

And before you say what I know is on your mind... do I think the cheating is right? No, but it happens, often. It's just something that comes with the territory.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 10:56 PM
I don't think many guys would turn down these women. We are talking about the hottest of the hot. You can only be so careful.
And per you, these women file false sexual assault charges....looks like when you play with "hot", you get burned. B)

[gigi]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jul 30 2003, 06:51 PM
If you wouldn't call it rape.....what would you call it then

I'm not going to argue this. it's something too emotional for people to consider it rationally.

my only point was that if you create an agreement to perform act x with somebody, you cant then turn around and scream that cancelling act x half way through the job is the same as the guy forcing act x on you in the beginning..

again, not saying it's ok to continue after a "no", just saying that rape is used to define a sex act that is forced from the beginning.

to me this is more akin to a breech of contract... sexual assault maybe... rape? no.
Not being emotional....I thought I was rather rational actually....lol.

So you agree that a 'wrong' has been commited, even if you don't believe it should be labelled 'rape'. Good to see.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 30 2003, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 30 2003, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 10:56 PM
I don't think many guys would turn down these women. We are talking about the hottest of the hot. You can only be so careful.
And per you, these women file false sexual assault charges....looks like when you play with "hot", you get burned. B)[/b][/quote]
I can't argue there. :P

[gigi]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jul 30 2003, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jul 30 2003, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 10:56 PM
I don't think many guys would turn down these women. We are talking about the hottest of the hot. You can only be so careful.
And per you, these women file false sexual assault charges....looks like when you play with "hot", you get burned. B)[/b][/quote]
LOLOL! But Peaches...it comes with the territory remember? :rolleyes:

I suppose knowing these 'hottest of the hot' women are only looking for money couldn't possibly mean they might try to pull stunts like that. Naaaaaah, couldn't be!

[Pornwolf]

It doesn't make it right, ladies.

[gigi]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 07:18 PM
It doesn't make it right, ladies.
Can't argue with that either. :P

My whole point is that these types of cases do not represent the majority. The law must look at the big picture and protect as many people as possible.

And that's a fact jack. :awinky:

[cj]

Originally posted by DAMNMAN+Jul 30 2003, 09:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DAMNMAN @ Jul 30 2003, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@Jul 30 2003, 08:45 PM


And did you know that 'suck it bitch' isn't actually foreplay?
In conjunction with other things 'suck it bitch' is definately foreplay.
I guess it depends on what else your doin' at the time, huh?[/b][/quote]
LOL

ok, you have a point there

i should clarify: 'suck it bitch' isn't foreplay on its own LOL

[cj]

Posts: 2000

ok time for another tshirt ...
is there a new shirt for this internext? need 1 for the collection

:D

[DAMNMAN]

Originally posted by cj+Jul 30 2003, 10:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jul 30 2003, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -DAMNMAN@Jul 30 2003, 09:15 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--cj@Jul 30 2003, 08:45 PM


And did you know that 'suck it bitch' isn't actually foreplay?
In conjunction with other things 'suck it bitch' is definately foreplay.
I guess it depends on what else your doin' at the time, huh?
LOL

ok, you have a point there

i should clarify: 'suck it bitch' isn't foreplay on its own LOL[/b][/quote]
GNYUCK, GNYUCK, GNYUCK. >;-)) LOL :zoinks:

[Vick]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 09:56 PM
The female predators come with the package.

Pick a different type of woman? hahahaha! The wife in most cases is nothing like the women that are served up on a platter on a daily basis. I don't think many guys would turn down these women. We are talking about the hottest of the hot.
Hmmm... and you choose to associate with these women solely on their looks - and I guess they're there solely for the $
guess you don't need to think really hard about why those situations you described happen


Back to topic - I can't with the exception of incidentally/accidentally causing discomfort/pain imagine a woman asking a man to stop (unless she's a total headcase and you don't know it beforehand)

Sex is really about passion (which I recognize as the finest emotion) and if you're that passionate/worked up about it I don't see/hear stop going on EDIT - actually quite the opposite

I think Hooper has a very good point with
not saying it's ok to continue after a "no", just saying that rape is used to define a sex act that is forced from the beginning.
Difference between rape and sexual assault



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[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 09:32 PM
Experience. Seeing these cases firsthand. Knowing a lot of the women beforehand. If you haven't been to the Superbowls, the prizefights or even with other basic rich people in your podunk area that have lots of women... please reserve your comments.
Well, I'll tell you what. I will not only concede that you are much more of a playa than me, I'll even throw in your dick is bigger. Somehow, I suspect you would find that important.

That being said, none of the "basic rich people" (including professional athletes) I have known have ever been accused of rape - falsely or otherwise. And my range of acquaintences would suprise some folks - although they are admitedly short on professional basketball players.

IMHO, for every false accusation of rape by a money-grubbing groupie out to scam somebody, you've got ninety-nine prima-donnas who regard women as objects, cannot possibly conceive of the idea that someone would say no to them, or flat out don't care because daddy (or daddy's brewery, their agent, their business manager, or ???) will bail them out of it.

[Pornwolf]

I step out for a drink and come back to this. :rolleyes:

Yes, compared to you I guess I might be a 'playa' and my cock is probably bigger. I don't think that's important but I know quite a few women who do.

That said, I will agree that most of these guys are primadonnas. I have never seen any of these guys force a woman to do much of anything. I've seen tons of women get sent out of a room because aren't doing anything but that's as far as it's gone. The thing is, these guys know as soon as one gets sent out another one will takes her place. Instead of raping someone they are more likely to pay a prostitute which they do quite often believe it or not. The reason being, it's hard for a woman to try to set you up if she accepted money. $200-$3,500 is well worth it considering the things at stake.

And, no, none of the guys that I know do things because someone will bail them out. That's a different mentality that's kind of reserved for rich ivy league spoiled boys than entertainment and sports folk.


Enough said abut that.


GiGi said:
The law must look at the big picture and protect as many people as possible.

Do you think that will ever happen? I don't. I see this issue remaining like it is. Men are guilty when this goes to court unless some kind of highly obvious evidence comes along. If it's a her word against his she will win everytime and no matter what the actual crime, sexual assault won't be the title, it will always be called rape if the woman says it is.

Is this as big of a problem in other countries?

[gigi]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 09:13 PM
Men are guilty when this goes to court unless some kind of highly obvious evidence comes along. If it's a her word against his she will win everytime and no matter what the actual crime, sexual assault won't be the title, it will always be called rape if the woman says it is.
The statistics I posted paint quite a different picture:

If the rape is reported to police, there is a 50.8% chance that an arrest will be made.

If an arrest is made, there is an 80% chance of prosecution.

If there is a prosecution, there is a 58% chance of a felony conviction.

If there is a felony conviction, there is a 69% chance the convict will spend time in jail.

So, even in the 39% of attacks that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison.

Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists—1 out of 16— will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free.

[Probability statistics compiled by NCPA from US Department of Justice statistics. See www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html]

[Pornwolf]

Hmm... I guess there's no real way of deciding what's going on without sitting in every courtroom and eyeballing the perp and the victims.

More women need to report the crime. It sounds like the ones that don't report it are the ones who it has happened to without a doubt and need to bring the guy to justice (or something). I still think justice is best served by male members of the females family. :ph34r:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 09:19 PM
I hope all you guys standing by reading this thread are enjoying yourselves. Pussies.
I don't say this often but .. you're an idiot.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Colin+Jul 31 2003, 04:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Jul 31 2003, 04:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Pornwolf@Jul 30 2003, 09:19 PM
I hope all you guys standing by reading this thread are enjoying yourselves. Pussies.
I don't say this often but .. you're an idiot.[/b][/quote]
I'll second that
But then again I have a gift for the obvious

Edit -
You know its kinda hard just to get along today
Our subject isn't cool, but he fakes it anyway
He may not have a clue, and he may not have style
But everything he lacks, well he makes up in denial

So don't debate, a player straight
You know he really doesn't get it anyway
Gonna play the field, and keep it real
For you no way, for you no way
So if you don't rate, just overcompensate
At least you'll know you can always go on Ricki Lake
The world needs wannabes

Now he's getting a tattoo yeah, he's getting ink done
He asked for a 13, but they drew a 31
Friends say he's trying too hard and he's not quite hip
But in his own mind he's the, he's the dopest trip

So if you don't rate, just overcompensate
At least you'll know you can always go on Ricki Lake
The world needs wannabes
The world loves wannabes
Let's get some more wannabes
Hey, hey, do that brand new thing!







Last edited by Vick at Jul 31 2003, 01:29 PM

[Kittyfuzz]

It's really easy for people to sit back and say "women should report it". Or, say "let the law handle it". You see so many victims out there that people look at them like it's thier fault, they shouldn't have worn this, or they shouldn't have said that... It's embarrassing, humiliating and feels like being victimized all over again, especially when the perp walks!

So tell me, if you were just leaning over a table, minding your own business, and this huge ogre looking dyke bitch shoved what feels like a 2 litter bottle up your ass, would you report it?

Perhaps you would, I don't know. But, I am sure you would be reluctant.

[JR]

what is the necessity of this law?
why is it needed?

[gigi]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Jul 31 2003, 12:16 AM
Hmm... I guess there's no real way of deciding what's going on without sitting in every courtroom and eyeballing the perp and the victims.

More women need to report the crime. It sounds like the ones that don't report it are the ones who it has happened to without a doubt and need to bring the guy to justice (or something). I still think justice is best served by male members of the females family. :ph34r:
You really are a piece of work....

Hmm... I guess there's no real way of deciding what's going on without sitting in every courtroom and eyeballing the perp and the victims.

You obviously don't consider the statistics above relevent....sad.

I understand your experience in the past has jaded you.....but what you are missing is that those cases are not the norm.

More women need to report the crime. It sounds like the ones that don't report it are the ones who it has happened to without a doubt and need to bring the guy to justice (or something).

Based on the statistics above.....Would you be so willing to report it when there is a 50/50 chance that the perp will even be arrested? Would you be so willing to go through the hell of reliving the nightmare in court when there is only a 17% chance the perp will end up in jail?

These stats show there no motivation for victims to report these crimes.

Maybe this new law will help change these statistics in the future, thus empowering women and giving them some hope that justice will be served.

[gigi]

Originally posted by JR@Jul 31 2003, 11:18 AM
what is the necessity of this law?
why is it needed?
I would say it removes some of the gray area.

[susanna]

coming in late on this topic but a few thoughts come to mind.

Pornwolf... if your sister or wife was raped or just having cheating sex which you say is okay to you... and wanted the guy to stop and he wouldnt (like cj said the condom broke and she didnt want to be pregnant with his child) would you be so reluctant to believe that she wanted him to stop and he said FU bitch I am already started?

Of course there is grey areas... somehow I doubt that the heat on a famous person or sports person is going to be any greater because of this new part of the rule. Kobe looks very innocent, sad and in the very least sorry (if he even did do this) We cant sit in judgement on a publicized case there is no way.

There was a much publicized case in my city of a man who came home drunk to his wife... they fought and his way of winning the arguement was to stick a broom handle up her ass and another handle in her pussy while she was restrained on the floor. I imagine she said no. Then he pulled out one of those and fucked her. I imagine she was still saying no.

I suppose that because she was married to him and she often had consentual sex with him that he had the right to treat her that way? Even if all he did was fuck her when they were arguing and she said no. Thats rape. Sorry.

The media that reported on the case said that the man repeatedly said he did this and made comments like "just send me to jail already" in a whinny voice meant to make her feel sorry for him (obvious emotional manipulation) AND better still all of his family screamed and shouted to her about how she was ruining so many lives. Right. The man had nothing to do with any of it LMAO

You see there is always two sides to a story. These family members actually stood up for this man. They thought she should have dealt with this another way so that he would not have to go to jail. I wonder... maybe she should have killed him? Maybe the family would feel better then.

/end sarcasm and disappointment

[gigi]

What a horrendous case Susanna....sigh.

There was a random attack case here in Vancouver where 4 teenagers attacked a lady while she was taking out her garbage. Each of them had their turn with her.

Turns out.....she had AIDS. Now THAT is the most ironic form of payback I've seen yet.....

[JR]

Originally posted by gigi+Jul 31 2003, 12:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gigi @ Jul 31 2003, 12:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Jul 31 2003, 11:18 AM
what is the necessity of this law?
why is it needed?
I would say it removes some of the gray area.[/b][/quote]
i think there are different ways to look at this issue. basically, i did not go read the law as it is written, nor did i look up the legal definitions of "rape" in the state of illinois.

but it seems to me on the surface that this law creates a HUGE gray area. we can have sex, it can be consensual, we can have fun... and after the fact, you can say "i said no" right before he climaxed and he pumped me a few more times... and thats rape.

what can be more gray than that? no struggle? no evidence of rape? not only that but we are talking about consensual sex taking place. what does does it mean to "change your mind"? what is the code word where each party knows it just went from screwing their brains out and having a good time to "rape"?

if a guy and girl are shitfaced and their are screwing thier brains out and its totally consensual... and the girl says half heartedly "i changed my mind" - thats rape?

what is scary about something like this is that there seems to be no burden of proof. it does not add clarity to anything that i can see. it creates a nightmarish gray area on top of what already is often a pretty questionable situation.

[gigi]

Originally posted by JR+Jul 31 2003, 01:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Jul 31 2003, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gigi@Jul 31 2003, 12:07 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JR@Jul 31 2003, 11:18 AM
what is the necessity of this law?
why is it needed?
I would say it removes some of the gray area.
i think there are different ways to look at this issue. basically, i did not go read the law as it is written, nor did i look up the legal definitions of "rape" in the state of illinois.

but it seems to me on the surface that this law creates a HUGE gray area. we can have sex, it can be consensual, we can have fun... and after the fact, you can say "i said no" right before he climaxed and he pumped me a few more times... and thats rape.

what can be more gray than that? no struggle? no evidence of rape? not only that but we are talking about consensual sex taking place. what does does it mean to "change your mind"? what is the code word where each party knows it just went from screwing their brains out and having a good time to "rape"?

if a guy and girl are shitfaced and their are screwing thier brains out and its totally consensual... and the girl says half heartedly "i changed my mind" - thats rape?

what is scary about something like this is that there seems to be no burden of proof. it does not add clarity to anything that i can see. it creates a nightmarish gray area on top of what already is often a pretty questionable situation.[/b][/quote]
I agree. I think there are different ways of looking at this situation.

What you have outlined here, IMO, is NOT what this law refers to.

I believe it clears up the gray in a very common area of rape cases.....date rape.

There are many cases where the courts throw out a case because the girl initial agreed to have sex, but during sex, something turned sour and she ultimately decided it was in her best interest to stop.

The guy pleads with his jury that she initiated the sex, and that she even invited him into her house.

The juries were finding that because she initially agreed, or even initiated the sex it can't be rape.

Cases where I think this law would be beneficial to apply are cases where, as cj mentions, a condom breaks, or maybe the guy has some fetish that he doesn't reveal until they are heavy into it and she doesn't agree. Cases where the bar is raised from regular sex to say anal sex without the girl agreeing etc etc.

This is where I think the gray clears up.

It's funny, the men posting here seem to have the view that women are these conniving bitches who will use this law to 'get back' at men. This is the only argument I have seen against this new law....a fallacy based on a minute percentage of cases. :(

It goes without saying this does happen, and it's pathetic and sad.....however, as I've said, it is NOT the norm.....further, the law is there to protect the largest part of the population...in this case, rape victims.

I'd love to find some statistics that show how many reported rape cases were proven to actually be women with a vengance or a mission.....I'd fair to say the percentage would be relatively low compare to all the cases that are legitimate....and further, the cases that are not even reported.

[PornoDoggy]

No, gigi ... pornwolf at least seems to assure us that only POOR men rape women, and only rich men are the victims of "women [who] are ... conniving bitches who will use this law to 'get back' at men." :rolleyes:

JR, I don't agree with your point about this "creating" a gray area. The gray area has existed forever, and this law attempts to eliminate at least part of it by taking a way the "well, she said yes first" defense.

[gigi]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jul 31 2003, 03:00 PM
JR, I don't agree with your point about this "creating" a gray area. The gray area has existed forever, and this law attempts to eliminate at least part of it by taking a way the "well, she said yes first" defense.
Geez, I almost wrote a book when all I really wanted to say was what you said here in 2 sentences...lolol. :P

[cj]

Originally posted by JR@Jul 31 2003, 04:00 PM
but it seems to me on the surface that this law creates a HUGE gray area. we can have sex, it can be consensual, we can have fun... and after the fact, you can say "i said no" right before he climaxed and he pumped me a few more times... and thats rape.

what can be more gray than that? no struggle? no evidence of rape? not only that but we are talking about consensual sex taking place. what does does it mean to "change your mind"? what is the code word where each party knows it just went from screwing their brains out and having a good time to "rape"?
of course that's not going to be able to be proven in a court of law, so no, that case would probably get dismissed.

if the girl had bruises, scratches, pulled out hair, was bleeding etc, because she struggled (making the sex act a violent act without consent - legally defined as rape) then this would start to form a case.

but no matter how many laws like this are brought in to try to protect women, the burden of proof still lies with the victim to 'prove' the act became non-consensual. She has to convince the jury she isn't a slut, explain her relationship with the victim, describe the consensual sex act, and convincingly explain to a mixed jury why she changed her mind or what made the act become non-consensual ...

even after going through this process ... well look at the stats gigi posted.


if a guy and girl are shitfaced and their are screwing thier brains out and its totally consensual... and the girl says half heartedly "i changed my mind" - thats rape?


of course not, she would get slaughtered by a jury and/or a defense lawyer.

what is scary about something like this is that there seems to be no burden of proof. it does not add clarity to anything that i can see. it creates a nightmarish gray area on top of what already is often a pretty questionable situation.

not at all, the burden of proof has ALWAYS been with the woman. Pornwolf made a few comments that i couldn't even be bothered scrolling backwards to copy regarding how women always get their way - i'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what kind of lifestyle one must be living to truly believe that.

some really good posts in this thread

[PornoDoggy]

Pornwolf made a few comments that i couldn't even be bothered scrolling backwards to copy regarding how women always get their way - i'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what kind of lifestyle one must be living to truly believe that.


Well, perhaps it's just that he's young at heart - some attitudes remain that kinda remind me of locker room about chicks in high school.

[Pornwolf]

You guys/girls reactions to my comments are almost as bad as the TGP kids when spam is mentioned. I did not say all cases were unfounded, just some are, as all of you agree. What I did say, and I mean wholeheartedly, is a way higher percentage of cases involving wealthier people are unfounded.

If it were my sisters in a rape situation I would still look at the facts and the person and look deep into their eyes. The truth would be apparent and it would be handled accordingly. If it was the guys fault he would be handled without legal interference.

It's hard to have these conversations much like religious and political conversations.

Oh, real nice Colin, thanks for your support.



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[PornoDoggy]

You guys/girls reactions to my comments are almost as bad as the TGP kids when spam is mentioned.

Uh ... maybe the reaction you are getting to your comments has more to do with WHAT YOU ARE SAYING rather than the audience you are saying it to. I think your premise - that a higher percentage of cases involving wealthy people are unfounded - is bullshit. There are a lot more things involved in "class" than the amount of money in a wallet, bank account, trust fund or portfolio - and true class don't follow socioeconomic lines at all. So for every gold digger that your friends have encounterd I'm quite sure there are MORE self-centered little pricks who have difficulty believeing that anyone could possibly be serious when they are saying NO to them.

BTW ... if, in fact, you are familiar with several of these cases, then you or your friends need to take a SERIOUS look at the kind of people you are running around with.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 30 2003, 11:20 AM
I get no all the time, then keep going. I read women like that. What woman does not want a man to take control.
There's control, hot savage- "Oh my god no, no, baby" and then "stop you fuck."

I think someone should be able to tell the difference and if you're not sure just stop for a moment and say, "Are you sure?"

You can always resume, just might take longer.

In BDSM (you've probably heard this before) we use something called, "safe words". This way you can scream, cry, plead, etc. and the action will NOT stop unless you use that normally non-sexually word. It could be something like "snow" or "mailman".

Sometimes what makes a hot scene is the expressions, the taboo nature of it. I can see why it might be hard for someone to stop while directly involved but the law is the law and no should mean no.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Aug 1 2003, 06:04 PM
Oh, real nice Colin, thanks for your support.
You know you always can count on me ;-)

[Timon]

Originally posted by JR@Jul 31 2003, 04:00 PM
if a guy and girl are shitfaced and their are screwing thier brains out and its totally consensual... and the girl says half heartedly "i changed my mind" - thats rape?

Next thing you know they'll pass a law prohibiting people from having sex under influence, automatically making any man who has sex with a drunk woman a rapist.

[LittleC]

Don't you guys in USA have somthing called lie detector ???

This would also be a very usefull tool in our business !

Are you shaving ?

Do you pay your models ?

Do you abuse women ?

=====================

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by LittleC@Aug 3 2003, 09:25 AM
Don't you guys in USA have somthing called lie detector ???

This would also be a very usefull tool in our business !

Are you shaving ?

Do you pay your models ?

Do you abuse women ?

=====================
Wouldn't that be a wonderful concept? To cut to chase and get right down to it. No bullshit, no lies, no control issues.

Now that would be a perfect world.

[JR]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jul 30 2003, 06:51 PM

my only point was that if you create an agreement to perform act x with somebody, you cant then turn around and scream that cancelling act x half way through the job is the same as the guy forcing act x on you in the beginning..

again, not saying it's ok to continue after a "no", just saying that rape is used to define a sex act that is forced from the beginning.

to me this is more akin to a breech of contract... sexual assault maybe... rape? no.
this is how i feel exactly. i agree its wrong. i agree that a women should have the right to withdraw consent (which is the intent of the law) and i believe that in doing so, the male should stop asap.

but "rape" - i dont agree with that. especially so considering that its almost impossible to prove, has left no signs of physical abuse or forced intercourse, witnesses or other forensic evidence etc.

i also fail to see how getting tackled in the park, beaten and stripped naked and getting screwed in the ass in the most brutal way, is somehow on some level as two people having consensual sex and one of them saying at some point "i have changed my mind"

[LittleC]

I must say......for years, decades woman have been raped, abused by men and the law supported men...

women could be raped during marriage, beaten by their husbands without having the possibility to divorce.

It has been ok for men to go to brothels and wifes were needed to give birth and cook....

Now - isn't it a scary thought ....a woman can put a man in jail just by saying 3 little words...

He raped me......

Isn't it scary women will have for once the law on their side ???

when women were molested or raped during relationships, nobody was talking about forensic material / evidence...

So why shall we bother with that now ?

Lets say that 99% of the women would not say those 3 little words just out of anger.

And IF this law means that 1% innocent men will go behind bars - thats bad luck, shit happends !

Just make sure you treat your women nicely !

We have done that for years ! It's our turn now !

hehehe

PS. I say no no no no when I'm having sex But I dont mean NO. I mean something else. hehehe

:nyanya:

[Hooper]

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[Vick]

Originally posted by LittleC@Aug 4 2003, 03:20 PM
wifes were needed to give birth and cook....


Say no more :rolleyes:

[LittleC]

haha - I love to cook anyway