Adult Revenue - Who's A Playa?

[Hooper]

Ok. So I'm curious what everybody's perception is of the "playas" in the industry. What kind of yearly revenue do they generate each?

For example, here are my thoughts.

Top 5 playas - $30,000,000USD yearly gross
Next 5 playas - $10,000,000USD yearly gross
Next 10 playas - $3,000,000USD yearly gross
Next 20 playas - $500,000USD yearly gross

Am I way off? Totally on target? Just curious cause usually these conversations are about what the %'s are across the board.. i'm just wondering about what it takes to be "playa" status.

[Mike AI]

Tough question....

There are a lot of people who are making a lot of money behind the scenes. People who are not public, but yet have been making mint for a long time.

[slavdogg]

Never ask a playa how much he makes
What is he gonna tell you ?? I'm losing money, biz sucks!
Ask a playa hater, he knows everything


:D

[Timon]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Jul 9 2003, 02:29 AM
Never ask a playa how much he makes
What is he gonna tell you ?? I'm losing money, biz sucks!
Ask a playa hater, he knows everything

:okthumb:

[Rolo]

I'm not a player, I just cash a lot B)

[Opti]

I dunno about the top 10 Hooper.. but I am sure there is a lot more people earning 500k+ than you realise.. 1000's of nobody freesite webmasters would see 50k/month as a milestone.. kind of a mark of having made it I think.. and a lot have "made it"

[slavdogg]

Opti, no way do 1000 webmasters make 500k or more
thats 500 million $$ combined


Hooper, didnt you ask this Q before on this board or gfy ??

[Opti]

I must have met a damn high proportion of the unkown playas then.. I didnt think it was that abnormal for smaller people to do quite a bit more.. maybe I believe more bullshit than most or something.

[Timon]

Originally posted by Opti@Jul 9 2003, 04:39 AM
I must have met a damn high proportion of the unkown playas then.. I didnt think it was that abnormal for smaller people to do quite a bit more.. maybe I believe more bullshit than most or something.
Maybe you've been in Brisbane too often... with all those guys who nobody's ever heard of but who make more money in a day than most people do in their entire life ;-))

[Opti]

Originally posted by Timon+Jul 9 2003, 07:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jul 9 2003, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Opti@Jul 9 2003, 04:39 AM
I must have met a damn high proportion of the unkown playas then.. I didnt think it was that abnormal for smaller people to do quite a bit more.. maybe I believe more bullshit than most or something.
Maybe you've been in Brisbane too often... with all those guys who nobody's ever heard of but who make more money in a day than most people do in their entire life ;-))[/b][/quote]
You can NEVER be in brisvegas too often Timon ;-)))

[Timon]

Originally posted by Opti@Jul 9 2003, 04:49 AM

You can NEVER be in brisvegas too often Timon ;-)))
That depends on who you hang out with ;-)
Most non-aussies I know who went to Brisbane too often all ended up with a stamp in their passport that says:
ENTRY DENIED - NOT PERMITTED TO ENTER AUSTRALIA UNTIL 2010 ;-))

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jul 8 2003, 11:57 PM
Ok. So I'm curious what everybody's perception is of the "playas" in the industry. What kind of yearly revenue do they generate each?

For example, here are my thoughts.

Top 5 playas - $30,000,000USD yearly gross
Next 5 playas - $10,000,000USD yearly gross
Next 10 playas - $3,000,000USD yearly gross
Next 20 playas - $500,000USD yearly gross

Am I way off? Totally on target? Just curious cause usually these conversations are about what the %'s are across the board.. i'm just wondering about what it takes to be "playa" status.
I think the numbers are generally higher than that. I think there are a lot more than 40 people in the business making more than $500k/year gross.

What kind of freesite guys make $50k/month anymore? A few of the top TGPs and link lists. You mean SE guys and spammers? Let me know if I'm missing something .. I want to buy their traffic ;-)

[Timon]

Yeah $500k a year isn't that much... not really a player of the top40 elite...
I think if you add a zero to that it still wouldn't make the top40.

[KC]

So the real question is.. how many people/companies do you think GROSS 500K/yr or more in this business...

I would guess between 750-1000 people and or companies.

I dunno.. it's an interesting question.. It'll be interesting to see what other people post as guesses..

[KC]

Originally posted by KC@Jul 9 2003, 06:26 AM
So the real question is.. how many people/companies do you think GROSS 500K/yr or more in this business...

I would guess between 750-1000 people and or companies.

I dunno.. it's an interesting question.. It'll be interesting to see what other people post as guesses..
I'm sure there are more than 40 adult web hosting providers that gross more than 500k/yr.



Last edited by KC at Jul 9 2003, 06:31 AM

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by KC+Jul 9 2003, 06:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KC @ Jul 9 2003, 06:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--KC@Jul 9 2003, 06:26 AM
So the real question is.. how many people/companies do you think GROSS 500K/yr or more in this business...

I would guess between 750-1000 people and or companies.

I dunno.. it's an interesting question.. It'll be interesting to see what other people post as guesses..
I'm sure there are more than 40 adult web hosting providers that gross more than 500k/yr.[/b][/quote]

My guess would be about 200 or so adult online companies over $500k/year if you count the web hosts.



Last edited by Colin at Jul 9 2003, 07:20 AM

[Hooper]

web hosts are outside the scope of this discussion. I'm talking about people/companies makingmoney by selling porn.

yeah slav, i've kinda posted this before... but it was more like "what % of people are earning what?" which seemed to generate a lot of chatter about the lowere 99% of the spectrum..

What i'm curious about is the top 1% now.

[Rolo]

Is it only US companies... or are we counting world wide?

[Marc De]

Hooper - I think your numbers are somewhat close but on the low side. I think the number of people in the 500k-3 mil is a lot higher than you suspect.

I love threads like this - its fun to read what people think others are making and what goals they can set for themselves based upon realistic achievable numbers :)

[Marc De]

Hooper - BTW, where do you fall in this list? Top 5, 10 ?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jul 9 2003, 07:30 AM
I'm talking about people/companies makingmoney by selling porn.


Then I'll take 150-200.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Marc De@Jul 9 2003, 08:14 AM
I love threads like this - its fun to read what people think others are making and what goals they can set for themselves based upon realistic achievable numbers :)
Me too. Want to venture a guess? What do you think?

[Hooper]

Hooper - BTW, where do you fall in this list? Top 5, 10 ?

We're high enough to feel self important but low enough to know our place ;-)

If you're buying i'd be happy to share some real numbers though. :D

Rolo, i think you gotta talk worldwide.. afterall, the net is global.. but in the end it all has to get translated into us dollars just to have a standard of measurement (ok. or fuckin euro's if you're french and just need to feel self important ;-)

So Marc, you think there are more or less companies doing 30mil+ a year



Last edited by Hooper at Jul 9 2003, 08:48 AM

[Opti]

Originally posted by Marc De@Jul 9 2003, 11:15 PM
Hooper - BTW, where do you fall in this list? Top 5, 10 ?
that sounds like show n tell MarcDe.. you cant ask without telling first ;-)

I am surprised your estimate is so low Colin.. you would have helped a bunch of people on their way to the 500k level imho. A few of the people I was thinking of you would know directly from years back.

I wasn't thinking about spammers at all actually (well maybe one or two).. I dont know a hell of a lot and most I do know are more like GFYers who do it becasue they can make 4 or 5k a month with no thinking, just regular burger flippin work to most imho.

I cant believe there is less than 1000 individuals (not companies) doing 500k right now.. in the middle of summer and in a bad year.. I am not sure what our industry gross turnover is, so maybe Slavick may be right that it cant be true. I've been wrong before but if you are talking about realistic expectations.. I got bad news for some poor bastards with big staff numbers and daily headaches that are grossing under 500k pa... a hardworking sit at home in his jocks freesite webmaster with no overheads and very few headaches has been able to realisticly expect to do that for years. Must admit I also know a few who were doing better than that are no longer are too.

What about all the people that spend 20-30k a month on Ink/Adwords/PPC traffic? they appear to be a dime a dozen at the moment it seems.. surely they must gross about 500k. Every few weeks I seem to hear of some other cashed up bastard wanting to hire a webmaster to run this or that scheme... lots of people trying to buy a last piece of the action right now imho

I would have guessed a person or company would have to be grossing 50mil to be on the top ten last year. But that is pure guess work.. wouldnt be surprised if that drops to 30mill this year though!



Last edited by Opti at Jul 10 2003, 01:08 AM

[Mike AI]

We're high enough to feel self important but low enough to know our place ;-)


HAHAHA Classic line!!

[Timon]

Opti, our industry is worth 2.5 billion dollars annually according to this website...

http://www.internetfilterreview.com/intern...statistics.html (http://www.internetfilterreview.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html)

[Opti]

Originally posted by Timon@Jul 10 2003, 12:27 AM
Opti, our industry is worth 2.5 billion dollars annually according to this website...

http://www.internetfilterreview.com/intern...statistics.html (http://www.internetfilterreview.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html)
that should just about work using simple 80-20

2.5billion = 5000 x 500k

top 20% or 1000 people should be earning over the 500k and 4000 under it.. Does that work Colin? maybe I didnt engage the brain and have over simplified

[Mike AI]

Should we break out the bell curve?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Opti@Jul 9 2003, 09:12 AM
I am surprised your estimate is so low Colin
Hi Opti,

I just think it starts to fall off real fast.

You said:

"that should just about work using simple 80-20
2.5billion = 5000 x 500k
top 20% or 1000 people should be earning over the 500k and 4000 under it.."

From what I've seen, it is net worth that follows the 80/20 rule more than
income. I happen to know that general income in the US, for example, is distributed such that 50% of the income goes to the top 20% of the people. Quite different than 80%. Net worth probably looks very close to 80/20 because of investment, interest, etc.

Anyway, I assumed that income falls off as a power law [see Zipf's Law for reference] and also assumed that the top guy was making $6 million/month. The $6million figure I got from someone around Marc's stature. It's a few years old and I assume it was accurate then but that's an assumption. One never knows with information. Maybe Marc could comment on that guess. Using Zipf's Law with exponent set to 1 (who knows?), the 100th guy would be making about $700,000/year. I just sort of worked form there.

[Opti]

hey it's 1.15am, I am under influence of fine greek food and 97 Hunter Valley cab sav.. trying to think about 80-20 made me have to close one eye and concentrate hard.. bell curves are day things ;)

[Mike AI]

I love threads like this - its fun to read what people think others are making and what goals they can set for themselves based upon realistic achievable numbers

One thing I have always loved about Marc, is that he genuinely wants people to do better.

Marc you should become a motivational speaker!!

:rokk:

[Opti]

the 100th guy would be making about $700,000/year.

My $1 is on that as close to truth!

I figured top 10 would be doing equivalent of around 8-10k signups a month mark.. that was where I got the 50mil from.

[BradShaw]

My guess is that the $30mil figure is about right, but alot more people do 5-10million a year gross than you think.

[Mike AI]

but alot more people do 5-10million a year gross than you think.


Using the typical business model for this industry, for a program to gross 5 million, it is really not that much....

[BradShaw]

I would be interested to compare profit margins over past 3-5 years, more than incomes. Profit margins a shrinking.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 10:21 AM
I would be interested to compare profit margins over past 3-5 years, more than incomes. Profit margins a shrinking.
Brad,

To what degree have profit margins shrunk, say, from 2000?

Also, for relatively the same traffic, what would you venture as a guess for how conversions have changed in that same time period?

[mrbling]

People making $35k/ month+ or $500k-750k a year MAX (not counting the big boys who make millions)

either has to be
1) Search engine spammers with X hundreds of domains
Should be around 150-200 se spammers
2) Legacy paysite owners
Should be a lot, maybe 500-1000 paysite owners
3) Legacy freesite owners with hundreds of domains
Should be around 500 freesite owners+
4) medium sized Affiliate program runners
Should be around 50 of them making just $500k, rest makes more.
5) Big TGP owners
around 200 on sextracker

So you add that up
around 2500 people make $500k+ a year

doesn't seem like a lot when theres around 50,000 adult webmasters though :)



Last edited by mrbling at Jul 9 2003, 07:55 AM

[mrbling]

profit margins shrink for the paysite owners/affliate programs, but they don't shrink for the freesite owners or people who send hits to sponsors mainly because theres very little expenses, its more like you need to send more hits for the same amount of money
conversions have gone down, but getting more hits have become a little more easier, so it balances out.

[JR]

how much does the average guy that uses "bling" or "pimp" in his nickname make?

[mrbling]

Originally posted by JR@Jul 9 2003, 07:59 AM
how much does the average guy that uses "bling" or "pimp" in his nickname make?
average guy who has a bling the name should be able to retire tomorrow and not give a shit.

people with pimp in their names usually make money but spend big too , paycheck to paycheck while on a $50k month income:)



Last edited by mrbling at Jul 9 2003, 08:03 AM

[JR]

what about "playa" or a "$" sign?

[mrbling]

Originally posted by JR@Jul 9 2003, 08:03 AM
what about "playa" or a "$" sign?
you have to use your brain for that...
hope its working these days :)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by mrbling@Jul 9 2003, 10:51 AM
So you add that up
around 2500 people make $500k+ a year
If 2500 people made at least $500,000 then everyone in the top 2500 would average more than $500,000. Spread over 2500 people the average would have to be in the millions. $2 million x 250,000 is $5 billion which is more than the annual number given by Timon above.

But realistically, the #1 on an income list will have to be MUCH higher than 4x higher than the 2500th. Just look at the Forbes 400. The top person makes about 20x more than just the 100th person.

I bet you're high by a factor of 10.

[*KK*]

How much will the average guy be grossing come Oct 1?

;)

[JR]

Originally posted by mrbling+Jul 9 2003, 08:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mrbling @ Jul 9 2003, 08:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--JR@Jul 9 2003, 08:03 AM
what about "playa" or a "$" sign?
you have to use your brain for that...
hope its working these days :)[/b][/quote]

my brain is not working. i was using my brain all weekend trying to think of
the perfect nickname to best communicate my success in life... but
"mrbling" is now taken.

all you have left me with
is "pimpbling", "blingplaya", "$blingpimp", "pimp$playerbling",
"bigcockplayerpimp" and "pootis".

:(

[Hooper]

It's all about da bling bling cha ching.

mrbling, what you just described by it's very definition is a shrinking margin for freesite owners :)

conversions take a shit, you still have exactly the same fixed costs per click. thus, margins have shrunk. that is unless your sponsors have increased your pay per signup to counteract that conversion drop.

[JR]

but Colin, wouldn't you agree that a safe bet is that 80% of the revenue is controlled by 20% of the people/companies? if we knew the value of the business, it would be probably the safest guess to just use Paretos law as a general guide.

[Almighty Colin]

There's no way there are 200 TGP owners making $35,000 /month. The 200th TGP is at 30k visitors/day which is nowhere near enough TGP traffic to make $35,000 in a month. Probably not even enough to make $3500 in a month.

[Opti]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jul 10 2003, 02:18 AM
How much will the average guy be grossing come Oct 1?

;)
Ok.. now I am scared :ph34r:



And.. stop dissin the bling word please people! ;-)

[Mike AI]

average guy who has a bling the name should be able to retire tomorrow and not give a shit.

people with pimp in their names usually make money but spend big too , paycheck to paycheck while on a $50k month income:)


:lol: :lol: :yowsa: :biglaugh: :D

That is funny!!!

The difference between driving an expensive car, and living in a run down apartment.... and having 1 car, and owning 3 houses.

[Almighty Colin]

There's no way there are 200 TGP owners making $35,000 /month. The 200th TGP is at 30k visitors/day which is nowhere near enough TGP traffic to make $35,000 in a month. Be lucky to make $3500 in a month.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Colin@Jul 10 2003, 02:22 AM
There's no way there are 200 TGP owners making $35,000 /month. The 200th TGP is at 30k visitors/day which is nowhere near enough TGP traffic to make $35,000 in a month. Probably not even enough to make $3500 in a month.
Robbie posted this himself on the maxcash board within the last 6-12 months so I guess it isnt telling tales out of school to say that AL4A was doing just under 50k/pm at that time.. (if you read the thread you would have believed he was being straight imo)

there may be 10 around his size.. and to best of my knowledge it drops off very fast from there..

[JR]

Originally posted by Opti+Jul 9 2003, 08:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ Jul 9 2003, 08:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Jul 10 2003, 02:18 AM
How much will the average guy be grossing come Oct 1?

;)
Ok.. now I am scared :ph34r:



And.. stop dissin the bling word please people! ;-)[/b][/quote]
dont be scared Optibling.

the demand for porn is not likely to drop anytime soon. a lot of the "pimps" and "playas" of today will probably be found in the pimp graveyard by new years and they will be replaced by normal professional business people. i think that is something to look forward to.

[JR]

i mean, its something to look forward to.... as long as i am one of them.
:unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JR@Jul 9 2003, 11:21 AM
but Colin, wouldn't you agree that a safe bet is that 80% of the revenue is controlled by 20% of the people/companies? if we knew the value of the business, it would be probably the safest guess to just use Paretos law as a general guide.
Opti and I were discussing that above.

If true, you know the .80 number but nothing at all about the distribution.

If you know that online porn revenue is $2.5 billion/year and also know there are x companies, then you would know that
$2 billion is made by x/5 companies. Doesn't really give us more information than we started with other than an average. We don't know x anyway and even if we did it wouldn't help much.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Opti@Jul 9 2003, 11:26 AM
Robbie posted this himself on the maxcash board within the last 6-12 months so I guess it isnt telling tales out of school to say that AL4A was doing just under 50k/pm at that time.. (if you read the thread you would have believed he was being straight imo
$50k/month? For how many visitors/day?

[Sharpie]

:P I like Brads approach..............

You can take pride in the Gross - but the bottom line is what you take to the bank! :rokk:

[mrbling]

there should be a difference
between a player and a whaler

player - millionaire
whaler - 20+ millionaires

This needs to be added into the Oxford dictionary.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Colin+Jul 10 2003, 02:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Jul 10 2003, 02:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Opti@Jul 9 2003, 11:26 AM
Robbie posted this himself on the maxcash board within the last 6-12 months so I guess it isnt telling tales out of school to say that AL4A was doing just under 50k/pm at that time.. (if you read the thread you would have believed he was being straight imo
$50k/month? For how many visitors/day?[/b][/quote]
only 2.8milion so far today :))

http://www.sexlist.com/

#1

*edit.. I now doubt there is 10 his size!




Last edited by Opti at Jul 10 2003, 02:51 AM

[*KK*]

Originally posted by JR+Jul 9 2003, 08:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Jul 9 2003, 08:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Opti@Jul 9 2003, 08:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Jul 10 2003, 02:18 AM
How much will the average guy be grossing come Oct 1?

;)
Ok.. now I am scared :ph34r:



And.. stop dissin the bling word please people! ;-)
dont be scared Optibling.

the demand for porn is not likely to drop anytime soon. a lot of the "pimps" and "playas" of today will probably be found in the pimp graveyard by new years and they will be replaced by normal professional business people. i think that is something to look forward to.[/b][/quote]
Indeed :)

[Nickatilynx]

It is easy to gross a million a mth.......get paid in Lira ;-=)))

Seriously though the "net" is the number to be interested in.

I reckon there are maybe 10 playas netting 5m a yr
Another 30 netting 1m plus.
Maybe 200 netting 500k.

With regd to major tgp/link list operators...they ,like everyone else,have ventured into other areas.I bet "so and so's Bookmarks" represents a minority of so and so's income now.

ie In 1997 I was purely a freesite operator doing the AVS trick and blinding the living shit out surfers
By 1998 se's were rocking
1999 added some freehosts in order to add some water to Serge's soup ;-))
Built some paysites.
2000 brokered traffic.

I think the day of being just a paysite owner or freesite owner has gone.

Now we have to be Jacks of all trades.

Regds,

$$Nickdabling$$

Props to my hos and bros...keep pimpin

;-)))))

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Opti+Jul 9 2003, 11:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ Jul 9 2003, 11:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Jul 10 2003, 02:35 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Opti@Jul 9 2003, 11:26 AM
Robbie posted this himself on the maxcash board within the last 6-12 months so I guess it isnt telling tales out of school to say that AL4A was doing just under 50k/pm at that time.. (if you read the thread you would have believed he was being straight imo
$50k/month? For how many visitors/day?
only 2.8milion so far today :))

http://www.sexlist.com/

#1

*edit.. I now doubt there is 10 his size![/b][/quote]
$50,000 for 2.8 million visitors. Let's see, For the 200th guy on Sex Tracker with 30,000 visitors/day, that means he's making ...let's see. blah blah blah, carry the 2, blah blah blah $17.86! ;-)

[Nickatilynx]

Bottomline....it beats robbing banks,dealing weed, flipping burgers.....or R-n forbid...being a broker ;-))))

All alternate occupations for some on this board. ;-))))

KK,


a lot of the "pimps" and "playas" of today will probably be found in the pimp graveyard by new years and they will be replaced by normal professional business people. i think that is something to look forward to

I guess I'll have to chill in my crib with my homies.

$$Nickdabling$$

(You know I think that name suits me) :)

[Jesse_DD]

Nick had the main point here - it is Net vs. Gross. The original post was "gross revenue" and not "what people make" = Net.

I would think there are quite a few people Grossing $1 mill.

[BradShaw]

I think this thread should be closed to anyone without atleast 7 figures in the bank.

Shit, if I was as rich as my gross, I could almost post more!

I would be happy to discuss profit margins with friends in private anytime. Who knows, one of us may learn something.



Last edited by BradShaw at Jul 9 2003, 09:37 AM

[Peaches]

Heck, even little ol' me grossed $250K one year with free sites on SE only - no spamming, no TGP's, Link list or anything.

Ah....the days when AOL used DMOZ..... :cryin:

[dantheman]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 12:36 PM
I think this thread should be closed to anyone without atleast 7 figures in the bank.

Shit, if I was as rich as my gross, I could almost post more!

I would be happy to discuss profit margins with friends in private anytime. Who knows, one of us may learn something.
can I count those figures before I pay the bills and purchase my bling bling :P

[BradShaw]

Dan start counting;-)

I am always open to business advise, especially from people who I know are as successful, or more successful than I am. (I always read everything marc de posts about business and finances).

But, I do not care for people posting on business chat boards/threads who can not balance a check book, get a car loan/mortgage, or have any business sense at all to make money. Not calling anyone out, there are a several people who value their online lives and persona more than reality, money in the bank.

[*KK*]

I wonder how many people in this business would want the IRS to see emails where they not only admit to, but encourage others, to willfully defraud the IRS?



Last edited by *KK* at Jul 9 2003, 10:27 AM

[JMM]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 9 2003, 09:00 AM
It is easy to gross a million a mth.......get paid in Lira ;-=)))

Seriously though the "net" is the number to be interested in.

I reckon there are maybe 10 playas netting 5m a yr
Another 30 netting 1m plus.
Maybe 200 netting 500k.

With regd to major tgp/link list operators...they ,like everyone else,have ventured into other areas.I bet "so and so's Bookmarks" represents a minority of so and so's income now.

ie In 1997 I was purely a freesite operator doing the AVS trick and blinding the living shit out surfers
By 1998 se's were rocking
1999 added some freehosts in order to add some water to Serge's soup ;-))
Built some paysites.
2000 brokered traffic.

I think the day of being just a paysite owner or freesite owner has gone.

Now we have to be Jacks of all trades.

Regds,

$$Nickdabling$$

Props to my hos and bros...keep pimpin

;-)))))
Let's not forget who pointed you in the right direction. :)

[BradShaw]

Nick, good point about being a jack of all trades. I am fortunate that my income comes from many sources, just not paysites. Also glad I do not depend too much on still content, as the floor dropped out of the market. All about many eggs in many baskets that has enabled me to turn a small profit for several years.

No doubt the market is getting tougher and tougher, and we are starting to see more people either leave the business, or crack under the pressure. People became accustomed to easy $, and like every business, it does not last long.

Just glad I put in those 18 hour days for 3 years straight to lay a strong foundation that will survive as long as I want it to.

[Nickatilynx]

Let's not forget who pointed you in the right direction


The list is endless. :)

But ...
you...for not suing me in '97 :)standaman...the same ...
R-n,The General,Serge,Scotty.....etc.

People became accustomed to easy $, and like every business, it does not last long.

Very true.

Also glad I do not depend too much on still content, as the floor dropped out of the market

Great!!!! just as I get involved with
http://www.firmcontent.com

;)

[BradShaw]

Nick, still market will come back around, thats why we have not dropped prices at fresh photos, to keep our stuff exclusive. Day will come again where people will pay $500 ($1 a photo) for quality stuff that is not everywhere.

[dantheman]

[QUOTE]Great!!!! just as I get involved with
http://www.firmcontent.com[QUOTE]

nick, I'll be in touch soon:)

Brad, I think so also, you should have to "pay" for the exclusive quality pics, but the cheap(filler) stuff will be around also. Hell everyone has a 200/300 buck digital camera but me, and seems like it's no prob getting talent either.

But it'll wash out here shortly :ph34r:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 12:36 PM
I think this thread should be closed to anyone without atleast 7 figures in the bank.

Snob..........................

:nyanya:

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 12:36 PM
I think this thread should be closed to anyone without at least 7 figures in the bank.

Does that include the .00 at the end? If so, I will look to be posting sometime next year....

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by sarettah+Jul 9 2003, 12:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Jul 9 2003, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 12:36 PM
I think this thread should be closed to anyone without atleast 7 figures in the bank.

Snob..........................

:nyanya:[/b][/quote]
Snob? I have been called much worse.

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim+Jul 9 2003, 12:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Diamond Jim @ Jul 9 2003, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 12:36 PM
I think this thread should be closed to anyone without at least 7 figures in the bank.

Does that include the .00 at the end? If so, I will look to be posting sometime next year....[/b][/quote]
This coming from a guy who lives in Beverly Hills!

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by BradShaw+Jul 9 2003, 03:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BradShaw @ Jul 9 2003, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Diamond Jim@Jul 9 2003, 12:51 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 12:36 PM
I think this thread should be closed to anyone without at least 7 figures in the bank.

Does that include the .00 at the end? If so, I will look to be posting sometime next year....
This coming from a guy who lives in Beverly Hills![/b][/quote]
I think you're confusing your former house with mine, B...

Jim's House ---> Old and Busted

Brad's House ---> New Hotness

[Mike AI]

I think this thread should be closed to anyone without atleast 7 figures in the bank.

I do not know many people who have 7 figures in the bank.... Other places to put money. ( under the mattress!! haha)

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jul 9 2003, 04:22 PM
I think this thread should be closed to anyone without atleast 7 figures in the bank.

I do not know many people who have 7 figures in the bank.... Other places to put money. ( under the mattress!! haha)
Good point....having 7 figures in the bank would be extremely stupid, particularly for people of our average collective age (which I heard was 33 or so)....

If I had any money, I would put it into real estate or businesses that don't require much, if any, owner participation...

[Jesse_DD]

KK - you should have more to say about this post than anyone. Spill some numbers... no companies, just numbers.

My cash goal is never to have more than 6 months worth of expenses liquid.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 9 2003, 03:57 PM
Snob? I have been called much worse.
Yeah... but not by me....... :yowsa:

[BradShaw]

I use the terms "in the bank" loosely. Although I believe in keeping quite a bit of capital liquid, my financial advisor and I have found a happy medium. Smartest thing I ever did was spend 50+ hours with him over a couple weeks. Learned alot.

[Mike AI]

Brad, I have been working hard on getting on a budget as well....

It is tough to do....

$$ is not flowing like it used to, but I still spend way to much money on STUPID things... I am trying to fight the urges...

If I cannot stop, I hope you or Diamond Jim will give me a job!

[BradShaw]

Well I do not follow the budget per se, but was very interesting to see all your spending broken down and presented to you via a 3rd party. Very eye opening. All those first class tickets add up, coach is not so bad after all!


I just try to be a bit more jewish, or like my favorite honorary jew DJ.

[Sharpie]

Real Estate is a great investment - especially at the interest rates...... It is a given if you are under 40. It will appreciate, while most of the 'hot wheels depreciate. There are as many ways to make money in real estate as there are ways to sell porn. Banks sure aren't paying much..... but a balanced profolio is what is needed, for both sunny and rainy days. The most important thing is to DEVERSIFY. The bottom line is always what counts.

[Marc De]

MikeAI - thanks... Its true, I do wish the best for everyone! :)

I would guess that there are 5-7 guys doing $30 mil / year gross but that the top 2-3 are doing WAAYYYY more than $30 mil (as in 9 figures).

Net wise I would guess that the same 5-7 are doing $5 mil / year but again some are doing 4-5 multiples of that...

I would think counting all revenues spent in this business there might be 1 billion in gross receipts in this biz (not including inter market spending, if that is a real econ term). In other words, that 1 billion is NEW money, not money going towards the expense of that 1 billion (processing fees, commissions, hosting, content, etc...).

But, what the hell do I know... :) Its all a guessing game for us, guess that is what makes it fun!

[Marc De]

"I just try to be a bit more jewish, or like my favorite honorary jew DJ."

roflmao - now that is some funny shit!!!!!!!!! :agrin:

[Diamond Jim]

Originally posted by Marc De@Jul 9 2003, 07:56 PM
"I just try to be a bit more jewish, or like my favorite honorary jew DJ."

roflmao - now that is some funny shit!!!!!!!!! :agrin:
I was dubbed an honorary Jew by JMM many moons ago....the ritual was secret and I'll never tell what was involved...

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Jul 9 2003, 09:12 PM
I was dubbed an honorary Jew by JMM many moons ago....the ritual was secret and I'll never tell what was involved...
No need to keep a secret anymore - remember, the Supreme Court recently said it was OK! :)

[KC]

Originally posted by Marc De@Jul 9 2003, 07:46 PM
I would guess that there are 5-7 guys doing $30 mil / year gross but that the top 2-3 are doing WAAYYYY more than $30 mil (as in 9 figures).
Yeah... once I get to about 8 figures I lose count and have to start over :)

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Sharpie@Jul 9 2003, 05:33 PM
Real Estate is a great investment - especially at the interest rates...... It is a given if you are under 40. It will appreciate, while most of the 'hot wheels depreciate. There are as many ways to make money in real estate as there are ways to sell porn. Banks sure aren't paying much..... but a balanced profolio is what is needed, for both sunny and rainy days. The most important thing is to DEVERSIFY. The bottom line is always what counts.
Bingo! I know lots of people who had everything in tech stocks and took a real bath when the bubble burst. Smartest thing I've done is diversify, not only my portfolio in terms of stocks, bonds, funds, etc, but also real estate.

I'm more dirt than liquid!

[Nickatilynx]

I'm more dirt than liquid!


pearl ! :)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Jul 9 2003, 07:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Jul 9 2003, 07:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Sharpie@Jul 9 2003, 05:33 PM
Real Estate is a great investment - especially at the interest rates...... It is a given if you are under 40. It will appreciate, while most of the 'hot wheels depreciate. There are as many ways to make money in real estate as there are ways to sell porn. Banks sure aren't paying much..... but a balanced profolio is what is needed, for both sunny and rainy days. The most important thing is to DEVERSIFY. The bottom line is always what counts.
Bingo! I know lots of people who had everything in tech stocks and took a real bath when the bubble burst. Smartest thing I've done is diversify, not only my portfolio in terms of stocks, bonds, funds, etc, but also real estate.

I'm more dirt than liquid![/b][/quote]
Invest in red clay today!