Would you advise your daughter against porn?

[Almighty Colin]

Would you advise your 18 year old daughter against getting into porn as content?

[Opti]

definitely, positively, hypocritically or not.. I would and do.

[Almighty Colin]

I don't think it's hypocritical.

[shawcutie]

"Would you advise your 18 year old daughter against getting into porn as content?"

Do you honestly know of anyone that does advise their daughter too???

[Raven]

If I had an 18 year old daughter and she were as headstrong as I am, I doubt if I'd be able to talk her out of anything she wanted to pursue.

That said, I believe that knowledge is power, so I would sit her down and explain how this biz works...the advantages and pitfalls.

My son has toyed with the idea of becoming a stunt cock; and, while I'm not thrilled with this choice of career, I would not stop him....I wouldn't be able to stop him, I don't think...if he were serious about this.

[spanno]

if I had an 18 year old daughter that'd make me a father at 8 years old :o)

I'd tell her, "bitch you should have been pregnant at 10 like you mother!
get out in the world and whore yourself cos I'm sick of paying for you!"

[Mike AI]

"Would you advise your 18 year old daughter against getting into porn as content?"

I would advice against it. Not because I think porn, or nudity is wrong. 95% of the girls I have worked with in content are lost souls, many are irreseponsible, drug use is rampent. Instead of using adult industry as a way to make some good money, and save this for the future, the girls blow their money up their nose, or give it all to a suitcase pimp.

I have known a handful of girls who have been responsible, made ncie money, saved, invested it and will be financially seucre for the rest of their life.

I knew a girl at 21 who owned a nice house ( no mortgage), probably had 250k+ in the bank, and was driving a new escalade. Her goals was to be retired by 25, with 500k+ in the bank. She was then going to go to college, and live a normal life.

This is what is possible, but 99% of the time , it does not happen.

For every Jenna Jamison there are thousands of girls who get chewed up by the industry.

[SykkBoy]

Absolutely not.
Most girls who become content have serious daddy issues. Do I have a problem making money from that? No. Being a hypocrite myself, do I want others making money from my daughter? No. I know most here will vehemently deny it but, this industry does NOT look at girls as content in the same light as girls who work behind the scenes. No matter how successful Jenna Jameson becomes, she will never get the same respect as some wanking fatfuck working out of his mother's basement charging people to see dirty pictures.

Would I encourage my daughter to work in the adult business behind the scenes? If it's what she wanted, yes.

Would she probably rebel against me and do it anyways? Probably, but as liberal as a dad as I am, it'll probably be pretty hard to rebel against me, but there's my one spot of rebellion that would crush me. That and if she went to work for the IRS. I used to fear my children would rebel against me by becoming FBI agents, until I found out an old high school friend of mine now has cushy job with the FBI. He was a total lunatic in school and will make a great agent of Satan...er, I mean the Bureau ;-)
hmmm, he owes me a few favors for helping him pass a couple math classes...maybe I should go collect on the favor...FEAR ME! LOL



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[Opti]

Originally posted by Raven@Jul 7 2003, 02:06 AM
If I had an 18 year old daughter and she were as headstrong as I am, I doubt if I'd be able to talk her out of anything she wanted to pursue.

That said, I believe that knowledge is power, so I would sit her down and explain how this biz works...the advantages and pitfalls.
I do have a headstrong and very pretty 18 year old daughter :headwall:

It sounds like you have met her.. I just thank my lucky stars she usually makes good decisions.

I don't think it's hypocritical.

I dunno Colin, maybe it's just me personally that is being hypocritical. I do think that the vast majority of models are happy but I also feel like there is a degree of exploitation that we profit from. I am probably a hypocrite as I'm happy to profit from the "content" if it's some anonymous person that may or may not be fully aware of the ramifications of their "choice" but I would be very unhappy if that content was family. I would be immediately thinking they had been "tricked" or seduced into it or driven to it by desperation.. it wouldn't feel like the model was really making an informed choice if it were my 18 year old daughter.

If she chose to do it as a mature adult I may feel differently.. so maybe I am just suffering from parental tunnel vision.

I really have found it much much harder to be objective about this type of question now I actually have an 18 year old. And I have found myself thinking about it more often too.. had this same discussion with a recent penthouse pet on Friday night actually!

[Peaches]

I voted to advise her against it, but I will add that I'm glad I DON'T have a daughter (and I'm too old to have one now :awinky: ).

I agree with what Michael said about the problems these girls have. I had a friend that was a bouncer at one of the big strip clubs here. After about a week he said "I don't know if they're screwed up because they take their clothes off in front of strangers, or if they take their clothes off in front of strangers because they're screwed up." Very few dancer, porn stars, nude models seem to have a good head on their shoulders. Even the ones that SEEM to, once you start peeling the layers off, so to speak, they all tend to have issues.

And while I'd never want my son to be a stunt cock (c'mon - I don't even want to think that he HAS a cock, OK??!), the men in porn, while seemingly paid less, also are the dominating ones in most scenes.

To me, being "behind the scenes" you treat it as a business and it's really no different from any other business.

Yes, I realize it's hypocritical for me to say I want to make money off females where a high percentage of them have at least some self esteem/possible mental problem, but I don't want MY daughter in it, but tough. :)

Edited to make it look like I know English. :unsure:



Last edited by Peaches at Jul 6 2003, 02:07 PM

[linkyd]

I agree with Mike AI. If the decision to go into porn was to use it as a quick and calculated launch pad to a well planned and organized life, then maybe... But the reality is far from this. :(

[Hell Puppy]

Very few 18 year olds, male or female, have enough life experience to make good decisions. And having nude pics of yourself published, or worse yet doing hardcore, is baggage you're going to carry with you the rest of your life.

[Timon]

It's not hypcritical at all not to want your daughter to work in porn.

If you would own a McDonalds, would you want your daughter to have a career in flipping burgers? Probably not because it would be a very bad career move.

So if you wouldn't want your daughter flipping burgers, would you be a hypocrite because you allow others to flip burgers?

[cj]

Originally posted by Colin@Jul 6 2003, 10:40 AM
I don't think it's hypocritical.
then how do you define hypocrisy Colin?

we sort through 1000's of photosets, looking for the youngest, most innocent looking girls to put on our sites and accompany it with text that says 'Show Daddy's little girl how to suck cock' and yet you wouldn't consider it hypocritical to not want your own daughter doing this?

I disgust myself sometimes when I do the above, and then think about the 18 year old girls that I know and how I would feel if i were writing that text about them ... what we consider to be just a job is the turning point in the lives of lots of sweet young girls with stars in their eyes - and its us who send them on a downward spiral. I've had a hawk eye on my sister for the last few years, especially when she was living in canada near a certain company that specializes in vegetables.

Naive Girl applies for an ad in the paper saying 'nude models wanted' and next thing she knows she's fucking some dirty old purvert who is in this biz just to get his dick sucked by chicks who are too eager for money to say no. sound familiar?

then there's the other side of it ... the types of girls who go into the porn industry are usually searching for something, lonely, into drugs, want fast cash, impressed by expensive things, like the idea of doing something bad etc.

if sex weren't considered such a dirty thing and if our industry wasn't driven so far underground, perhaps there would be less screw-ups involved in the biz, and more girls who understand how it can benefit their future. If the industry were policed by something other than wannabe pimps it might not be so bad.

I would love to get into content production one day ... i'd like to show girls that they can make money from positive sex without being mind fucked and treated like a piece of meat and doing things they don't want to do.

IMHO there is nothing wrong with a girl being sexually confident, aware of her body and knowing she's sexy ... I would never deny that of anyone, friend, relative or stranger - its this industry that takes a natural concept and turns it into filthy, almost criminal activity.

[Timon]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 6 2003, 10:42 PM
we sort through 1000's of photosets, looking for the youngest, most innocent looking girls to put on our sites and accompany it with text that says 'Show Daddy's little girl how to suck cock'
I would NEVER do something like that and you know it cj ;-)

[BradShaw]

I would break both her legs if she even mentioned it. Leave making porn to crack whores and people with troubled pasts.

[Timon]

cj, I saw this bright yellow site once called "Teen-E-Zine"

I am not easily shocked but the person who designed that site really is a disgusting women degrading perv ;-)))

[cj]

Originally posted by Timon+Jul 6 2003, 10:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jul 6 2003, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@Jul 6 2003, 10:42 PM
we sort through 1000's of photosets, looking for the youngest, most innocent looking girls to put on our sites and accompany it with text that says 'Show Daddy's little girl how to suck cock'
I would NEVER do something like that and you know it cj ;-)[/b][/quote]
course not :awinky:

cj, I saw this bright yellow site once called "Teen-E-Zine"

I am not easily shocked but the person who designed that site really is a disgusting women degrading perv ;-)))

LMAO
i remember that site!! it was inspired by a certain someone who you may know :biglaugh:

if men were objectified as sex objects equally, women would have nothing (er ... less) to complain about :okthumb:

[Opti]

Originally posted by Timon@Jul 7 2003, 01:33 PM
It's not hypcritical at all not to want your daughter to work in porn.

If you would own a McDonalds, would you want your daughter to have a career in flipping burgers? Probably not because it would be a very bad career move.

So if you wouldn't want your daughter flipping burgers, would you be a hypocrite because you allow others to flip burgers?

:okthumb: that's a damn good point.. I don't think thats wrong at all.. thankyou for showing me I may not be a hypocrite after all Timon ;-)

I guess when it comes down to it.. I don't think my girls will work as content or be flipping burgers for the same reason most people reading this arent.. they expect and plan to be one of the winners of this world.

[Opti]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 7 2003, 01:42 PM
I would love to get into content production one day ... i'd like to show girls that they can make money from positive sex without being mind fucked and treated like a piece of meat and doing things they don't want to do.

IMHO there is nothing wrong with a girl being sexually confident, aware of her body and knowing she's sexy ... I would never deny that of anyone, friend, relative or stranger - its this industry that takes a natural concept and turns it into filthy, almost criminal activity.
Cj.. this is the woman I was talking about this subject with on Friday.. She would fit right into your content company..... I love her attitude and catch phrase "nude aint rude".

http://www.bessiebardot.com/movies/promo.wmv

This one is definitely not a crack whore or a person with obvious issues.. she is very cool and very smart and proud of what she does.

[Timon]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 6 2003, 11:06 PM
if men were objectified as sex objects equally, women would have nothing (er ... less) to complain about :okthumb:
I tried that on a gay site once... I think it converted something like 1:1,000,000,000 ;-(

And that 1 join was me making sure the join form works ;-((

[cj]

Originally posted by Timon+Jul 7 2003, 01:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jul 7 2003, 01:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@Jul 6 2003, 11:06 PM
if men were objectified as sex objects equally, women would have nothing (er ... less) to complain about :okthumb:
I tried that on a gay site once... I think it converted something like 1:1,000,000,000 ;-(

And that 1 join was me making sure the join form works ;-(([/b][/quote]
tried what on a gay site?

you are a straight man.
you are incapable of objectifying a man sexually ... even with your creativity :P

[Timon]

Oh yeah? I bet it would have done pretty well on a prison Intranet ;-))

[Lisa]

Been pondering this one for a bit before I answered. I'm smack bang in the middle of my parenting years, so it's hard to be objective sometimes (tho CJ keeps telling me/everyone my kids are great so I guess I'm doing something right).

In my case, the only daughter is the square in the family, and the one least likely to follow me into any aspect of the biz, so I doubt it will ever be an issue for me. So while I'm not sure I can actually answer the question, it did occur to me that the children of we pornographers are possibly the LEAST likely to end up as content...at least for the wrong reasons. From what I hear (and I have to rely on hearsay cos I haven't met many of the kids of other pornmeisters), most of our children are strong, independent, feisty and self-sufficient. They take little crap from us, let alone anyone else. The chances of them ending up as content victims seem slim.

If they're content...but not victims...then possibly that's ok? Like I said I don't really know cos I'm still in the midst of this whole parenting thing. In 10 yrs time when they're all late teens and beyond, I'll be able to see how I did. ;)

I've been doing this since my kids were 8, 6 and 4. They know, and have always known (age appropriately) what it is that I do. I suspect they will find the whole thing very ho-hum. Any of the porn peeps that have met my kids predict that Daniel is the only one likely to follow me into the biz...and that's on the webmaster/technical side, not as content.

I still have a long way to go raising my lot...we shall see. :)

[Almighty Colin]

I'd advise my daughter against working at McDonald's though I do eat an occasional number one (not "Biggie Sized" though).

I'd advise her againt working in porn though I do sell it.

I see little hypocrisy.

I don't feel anything negative at all towards men or women who are content. I don't view them in a negative light. They make a choice in a free market and they are as necessary as anyone else on the great entertainment supply and demand curve. i'd be pretty adamant about it to tell you the truth.

Same thing with the McDonald's employee. Though I wouldn't want my own children working in a minimum wage job when there are so many other opportunities for young people I don't think lowly of McDonald's employees - except the 33% of them that can't seem to get an order correctly or get easily confused about the change.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Lisa@Jul 7 2003, 02:50 AM
I've been doing this since my kids were 8, 6 and 4. They know, and have always known (age appropriately) what it is that I do.
Wow. My daughter is 12 and won't know until she is 18 ;-)

[Lisa]

Colin, possibly the difference is that I am a single parent who works from home. Doesn't leave one a lot of choices other than carefully selected honesty. :)

Like I said, I have no idea whether the choices I'm making for my kids will ultimately turn out to be the right ones. Right now I'm too close to the situation to be an objective judge. I make my decisions and hope desperately that they will turn out to the be the right ones.

*Edited to make it look like I can speak English too...like Peaches. ;)





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[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Lisa@Jul 7 2003, 05:19 AM
Colin, possibly the difference is that I am a single parent who works from home. Doesn't leave one a lot of choices other than carefully selected honesty. :)

Like I said, I have no idea whether the choices I'm making for my kids will ultimately turn out to be the right ones. Right now I'm too close to the situation to be an objective judge. I make my decisions and hope desperately that they will out to the be the right ones.
And I am a father who's daughter lives 2000 miles away and I don't want her mother using it against me in anyway ;-)

I admire you for telling your children. I probably would too if she lived with me. Not sure. Always difficult to know what one would do in such situations.

[cj]

Originally posted by Colin@Jul 7 2003, 04:54 AM
I'd advise my daughter against working at McDonald's though I do eat an occasional number one (not "Biggie Sized" though).

I'd advise her againt working in porn though I do sell it.

I see little hypocrisy.

I don't feel anything negative at all towards men or women who are content. I don't view them in a negative light. They make a choice in a free market and they are as necessary as anyone else on the great entertainment supply and demand curve. i'd be pretty adamant about it to tell you the truth.

Same thing with the McDonald's employee. Though I wouldn't want my own children working in a minimum wage job when there are so many other opportunities for young people I don't think lowly of McDonald's employees - except the 33% of them that can't seem to get an order correctly or get easily confused about the change.
sounds like the biggest issue is that you don't want to see your child become a failure ...

could you look the parents of the models you use in the eye and tell them you aren't a hypocrite?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by cj+Jul 7 2003, 06:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jul 7 2003, 06:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Jul 7 2003, 04:54 AM
I'd advise my daughter against working at McDonald's though I do eat an occasional number one (not "Biggie Sized" though).

I'd advise her againt working in porn though I do sell it.

I see little hypocrisy.

I don't feel anything negative at all towards men or women who are content. I don't view them in a negative light. They make a choice in a free market and they are as necessary as anyone else on the great entertainment supply and demand curve. i'd be pretty adamant about it to tell you the truth.

Same thing with the McDonald's employee. Though I wouldn't want my own children working in a minimum wage job when there are so many other opportunities for young people I don't think lowly of McDonald's employees - except the 33% of them that can't seem to get an order correctly or get easily confused about the change.
sounds like the biggest issue is that you don't want to see your child become a failure ...

could you look the parents of the models you use in the eye and tell them you aren't a hypocrite?[/b][/quote]
Absolutely. I would. They are adults making adult decisions and so am I.

What if I owned a McDonald's but didn't want my daughter to work at one? Would I be a hypocrite? I dont' think so. I wouldn't prevent her, of course. I would advise her. I think owning a McDonald's and working at one are two completely different things.

I myself wouldn't ever pose as content so that certainly kills any hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned. If I were a Senator that purchased porn but didn't want my daughter to go into porn as content I don't think I'd be a hypocrite either.

Where would one draw the line? Would using content be hypocritical? How about purchasing porn? How about not voting against a referendum that bans it? How about not being active in the crusade against porn?

McDonald's was my first job by the way.



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[cj]

what are you on about? we are talking about daughters and porn, not senators and referendums ... :P

and as for mcdonalds ... any parent who wanted to teach their kid the value of hard work and starting at the bottom and appreciating what you have would want their kids to work at mcdonalds. a crappy first job builds character and makes 'em thirsty. my first job was washing pots & pans, by hand, in the family restaurant - fuck did i work hard to avoid ending up doing that for a living.

'back when i was a wee gal, yadda yadda' :biglaugh:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 7 2003, 08:32 AM
any parent who wanted to teach their kid the value of hard work and starting at the bottom and appreciating what you have would want their kids to work at mcdonalds. a crappy first job builds character and makes 'em thirsty. my first job was washing pots & pans, by hand, in the family restaurant - fuck did i work hard to avoid ending up doing that for a living.
Sure, that's one set of values and one kind of hard work. I don't see any problem with those values if someone wishes to instill them in their children.

I carried sheet rock, worked in factories, washed dishes, bussed tables, cleaned ash trays, all of it. I really don't think I learned much from it. It was pretty much a waste of time in my life. If I could do it over again, I wouldn't have worked those jobs.

I'd rather see my children start in the mail room at American Express than the drive-through at Burger King.

[cj]

it bothers me when people resort to the 'if i had my time over i would have done this differently and i would have been better off' - as if the alternative would have produced a guaranteed better result ...

if you didn't carry sheet rock, you might've been a bum ... and i have a feeling that 'wasting those years' has nothing to do with the work you were doing and everything to do with yourself at the time. you are assuming your child would be better off if they didn't do those things ... there's a bunch of other negatives that will replace those you have with your memories of your own life. success is a state of mind ...

if i could have my years over (the great many there are!) i'd work in a bar again ... beer soaked shoes ... but so little stress. :rolleyes:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by cj@Jul 7 2003, 09:07 AM
it bothers me when people resort to the 'if i had my time over i would have done this differently and i would have been better off' - as if the alternative would have produced a guaranteed better result ...

if you didn't carry sheet rock, you might've been a bum ... and i have a feeling that 'wasting those years' has nothing to do with the work you were doing and everything to do with yourself at the time. you are assuming your child would be better off if they didn't do those things ... there's a bunch of other negatives that will replace those you have with your memories of your own life. success is a state of mind ...
I do see your point. But really, I mean it figuratively. I can't travel in time.
In my analysis the "lessons" learned from carrying sheetrock were not worth it. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone because I don't think there is enough benefit from doing it. Construction is a respectable enough profession and I have nothing against it.

To think that there weren't things I would do over again is to say that every "mistake" is some cosmic cog in the great scheme of my life. I just don't see the world that way. I'm quite confident that I could design an even better life for myself by removing some of the "mistakes" of the past.

[Peaches]

To put the hypocrisy into perspective, my Dad worked for IBM for years but advised my brother from working there. :awinky:

Now, 15 years later, my sister is an intern there and will probably work there when she graduates. :headwall:

I think that when you're IN an industry - any industry, you see the good AND the bad sides and therefore want to caution your children against the bad sides. I've heard many famous actors say they would do what they could to steer their children AWAY from acting.

[Winetalk.com]

it depends...

content - no

head of Hustler - sure!
;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Raven@Jul 6 2003, 11:06 AM
If I had an 18 year old daughter and she were as headstrong as I am, I doubt if I'd be able to talk her out of anything she wanted to pursue.

That said, I believe that knowledge is power, so I would sit her down and explain how this biz works...the advantages and pitfalls.

My son has toyed with the idea of becoming a stunt cock; and, while I'm not thrilled with this choice of career, I would not stop him....I wouldn't be able to stop him, I don't think...if he were serious about this.
Had any of my three daughters decided that at 18 I would have been required to state my opposition very, very carefully. The got that stubborn, obstinate streak from their mother, I'm quite sure. :D

[Sabby]

Well *I* dont have a daughter... so maybe thats a good thing...

I've been in this business for 3 and a half years now. I have come to accept the fact that I am a pretty good webmaster but I am a DAMN GOOD cam girl... so I went back to doing that again.

I run a studio now with 4 girls... and I have not been able to hire a girl who can make the kind of money that I make myself. And I'm glad I've had the option and the ability to do so.

I did not hit a downward spiral at age 18... and I'm definately not a crack 'ho. I am college educated. and I think I do understand the internet porn business.

I think there are worse things I could have done with my life.


Sabby:)

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Sabby@Jul 8 2003, 05:40 PM
Well *I* dont have a daughter... so maybe thats a good thing...

I've been in this business for 3 and a half years now. I have come to accept the fact that I am a pretty good webmaster but I am a DAMN GOOD cam girl... so I went back to doing that again.

I run a studio now with 4 girls... and I have not been able to hire a girl who can make the kind of money that I make myself. And I'm glad I've had the option and the ability to do so.

I did not hit a downward spiral at age 18... and I'm definately not a crack 'ho. I am college educated. and I think I do understand the internet porn business.

I think there are worse things I could have done with my life.


Sabby:)
Yeah, you could have went to work for someone and them caused them to cheat on their current girlfriend and you could get a raise and move on up accomodations wise ;-)

Sabby, how ya been? I havn't been to your board in a few days, will have to stop over again

[Sabby]

Well you should sweetie, you've had some interest in your cobranded pharmacy post!!

Sabby:)

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Sabby@Jul 8 2003, 06:22 PM
Well you should sweetie, you've had some interest in your cobranded pharmacy post!!

Sabby:)
I'm on my way!!! LOL

[cj]

Originally posted by Sabby@Jul 8 2003, 05:40 PM
Well *I* dont have a daughter... so maybe thats a good thing...

I've been in this business for 3 and a half years now. I have come to accept the fact that I am a pretty good webmaster but I am a DAMN GOOD cam girl... so I went back to doing that again.

I run a studio now with 4 girls... and I have not been able to hire a girl who can make the kind of money that I make myself. And I'm glad I've had the option and the ability to do so.

I did not hit a downward spiral at age 18... and I'm definately not a crack 'ho. I am college educated. and I think I do understand the internet porn business.

I think there are worse things I could have done with my life.


Sabby:)
sabby, you are the exception rather than the rule ...

you enjoy what you do, and i don't think you do what you do for drug money.

like you said yourself, you built up a business and realized that you are really good at a particular aspect of that business ...

unfortunately, most girls don't see past the first photoshoot when they start in this biz ...

[Vick]

I think owning a McDonald's and working at one are two completely different things.


How about being content in a McDonald's ... you know, like I'll have a McPorn to go

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