After the honeymoon

[Dianna Vesta]

This morning I had an epiphany of sorts. I’ve been dating Jodi almost a year now. This month marks our one year anniversary. The moment we met there was an instant connection. It was sexual, spiritual and most certainly on a whole other plane then anything I had ever experienced before. Being in the adult biz as long as I have, I’ve had lots of great sexual experiences. I’ve spend most of my adult life single and to be honest I never expected to live monogamy.

I had always believed that people got together, enjoyed the ride and stayed together under false commitments. When I looked around at my friends I saw cheating, miserable people ready to kill each other. There were too many secrets, too many lies and a struggle to cohabitate. Why in heavens name would I want to be part of that shit? So I enjoyed my single Goddess life, dangling male and female slaves. My revolving doors swung in shifts. Morning coffee in bed with an orgasm, clean my bathroom, shave my legs, rub my feet & back… now get out. I thought this would be my life forever.

I believe that there’s someone for everyone and you know it the moment you look in their eyes. It extends beyond lust and passion. At least I believe this now.

I thought after a few months it would fade. I’d meet my sexual quota and I’d be set for a few months. Challenges naturally entered the relationship but the lust never faded. Even during our most heated arguments I could look at her and still want to fuck her. This morning I watched her making coffee and this flood of sensation overwhelmed me. “Damn, I’m really in love.” The thought of being with someone else doesn’t even cross my mind. Years ago this couldn’t happen. The wind blows the right way and I’m jumping on a new kinky situation.

So I figured I’d purpose an Oprano poll to see how many of you felt this way about someone or how many of you cheat on your spouses. I’d really love to hear from those brave souls who have falling in love, got married and find it impossible to stay faithful, however I realize that it’s a public venue and will settle for a vote in the poll. If you do have true love..post your love story here.

[Forest]

sorry folks this post is partially my fault

dv and i were talking relationships this am

:P

kiss sweety

:awinky:

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Forest@Jun 3 2003, 08:55 AM
sorry folks this post is partially my fault

dv and i were talking relationships this am

:P

kiss sweety

:awinky:
lol- I was already feeling sentimental. I asked who you were squeezing and if it was serious or not. It looked damn serious since you were with her parents!!! lol - are you settling down?

Spill the beans dude. Is it serious?

Hey Serge, this is a great thread for you and Lady Law... now after 5 months, is the honeymoon over, just getting started or what? All I know is I haven't heard hide or hair from LL ever since you two hitched. No calls, no pages.. nothing. Are you keeping her locked in a cage?? lol

[OldJeff]

I really think that you need to define cheating

Personally I have only ever been in momogamous relationships for my entire life.

However - I have met dozens of people, especially since being in this biz, that are perfectly fine with having a wide open relationship.

I think it is up to the people involved, whatever they decide.

I think that if you do have the "cheat" desire you should be with a like minded partner, or no partner at all - just date people as you see fit.

I think it is much worse to lie to someone.

[Mike AI]

Jeff, I am with you.... monogomy is a very unnatural state of things.

However, human beings choose it for numerous reasons.... I think Marriage is extremely important in this society, and should be held
sacred. I think people are allowed to get divorced way to easily now adays.

Of course I am a guy, so seperating sex and love is not an issue. I would feel more betrayed if my partner was spending a lot of emotiona, quality time with someone else, not giving it to me....

Not sure if this answers anything.... but my fingers just started hitting the keyboard...

:yowsa: :rolleyes:

[Peaches]

I agree with Jeff - cheating is lying. If you're lying to your SO, THAT'S cheating, but if you an open relationship and have sexual relationships with other, I don't consider that cheating. For instance, Bill probably shared details on his experiences with Hillary. :lol:

IMHO, someone that actually cheats on their SO is a coward - they're not brave enough to be loyal, and they're not brave enough to leave the relationship so they can play. :headwall:

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Jun 3 2003, 09:17 AM
I really think that you need to define cheating

Personally I have only ever been in momogamous relationships for my entire life.

However - I have met dozens of people, especially since being in this biz, that are perfectly fine with having a wide open relationship.

I think it is up to the people involved, whatever they decide.

I think that if you do have the "cheat" desire you should be with a like minded partner, or no partner at all - just date people as you see fit.

I think it is much worse to lie to someone.
Ok, cheating is lying. Cheating doesn’t always have to be about sex, right? Trust is something you need in order to know that your partner/spouse is someone who considers all things in the union and can act on your behalf.

I have no problem with open marriages. I think it’s great if two people are really into it. I have, however seen women get involved, desperately wanting love so badly that they force themselves into these situations. There are those unique couples that have unconditional love and can handle being with other people. It’s rare.

Being a very open-minded woman I can honestly say that I don’t personally know any women who would honestly admit that they enjoy being with different people when they are IN LOVE with someone. I can honestly say that any couples I do know that have been into swinging or open relationships have taken bizarre turns where one DID step out of the relationship and have an affair. Let’s keep in mind that it’s not always about sex. A man or woman will seek out a connection that enhances them. An emotional need, intimacy or a spiritual fulfillment.

I can honestly say that I’ve never expected to be in the place I am right now feeling this way. It really makes me wonder.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jun 3 2003, 09:24 AM
I agree with Jeff - cheating is lying. If you're lying to your SO, THAT'S cheating, but if you an open relationship and have sexual relationships with other, I don't consider that cheating. For instance, Bill probably shared details on his experiences with Hillary. :lol:

IMHO, someone that actually cheats on their SO is a coward - they're not brave enough to be loyal, and they're not brave enough to leave the relationship so they can play. :headwall:
I agree with this. It really makes me mad when a guy stays married, knowing he's involved with others & says, "I stick around for the kids" or "My wife will take everything!"

Then the truth is that he wants his cake and to eat it too.

[Winetalk.com]

Of course I am a guy, so seperating sex and love is not an issue. I would feel more betrayed if my partner was spending a lot of emotiona, quality time with someone else, not giving it to me....
***********************************************


hahahahhahaaha,
we never discussed this but now I know why we are partners...
;-))

I once told to one of my exes:
I don't care whom you have flings with, but if you go to the theater or museums with them and not me-
I'll be REAL pissed!
;-))))

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Jun 3 2003, 08:43 AM
I believe that there’s someone for everyone and you know it the moment you look in their eyes.
Not me. How would that work? And ... Why the eyes?

[Vick]

Originally posted by Colin@Jun 3 2003, 10:29 AM
And ... Why the eyes?
if you believe some (people) and you believe humans have souls it's been said that the eyes are the window to the soul

For my part I really don't know if any of that is correct


As for this thread - I'll get back to it in a few weeks :(

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 3 2003, 10:08 AM
Of course I am a guy, so seperating sex and love is not an issue. I would feel more betrayed if my partner was spending a lot of emotiona, quality time with someone else, not giving it to me....
***********************************************


hahahahhahaaha,
we never discussed this but now I know why we are partners...
;-))

I once told to one of my exes:
I don't care whom you have flings with, but if you go to the theater or museums with them and not me-
I'll be REAL pissed!
;-))))
So Serge... where's Lady Law? It's like she disappeared.

[Timon]

I'm with Colin... it's about a foot below the eyes ;-)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Jun 3 2003, 10:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Jun 3 2003, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 3 2003, 10:08 AM
Of course I am a guy, so seperating sex and love is not an issue. I would feel more betrayed if my partner was spending a lot of emotiona, quality time with someone else, not giving it to me....
***********************************************


hahahahhahaaha,
we never discussed this but now I know why we are partners...
;-))

I once told to one of my exes:
I don't care whom you have flings with, but if you go to the theater or museums with them and not me-
I'll be REAL pissed!
;-))))
So Serge... where's Lady Law? It's like she disappeared.[/b][/quote]
DV,
she is cheating on me as we speak but...NO QUALITY TIME!

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 3 2003, 10:41 AM
I'm with Colin... it's about a foot below the eyes ;-)
lol- ok, maybe so.. for some.

Come on now... haven't you ever had a really dynamic connection where you felt it deep within. Have you ever locked eyes with someone and felt like you were the only two people in a crowded room?

Damn you don't know what you're missing.

[Timon]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Jun 3 2003, 10:52 AM
Come on now... haven't you ever had a really dynamic connection where you felt it deep within.
Yep! But she was standing with her back to me so I couldn't see her eyes ;-)

[Winetalk.com]

DV, you might be onto something
;-)))

http://www.photogregg.com/party02/images/party098.jpg

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 3 2003, 10:58 AM
DV, you might be onto something
;-)))

http://www.photogregg.com/party02/images/party098.jpg
Suprise Suprise- Ok, spill the beans and stop making me dance around this subject. <wink>

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 3 2003, 10:36 AM
if you believe some (people) and you believe humans have souls it's been said that the eyes are the window to the soul


There's the problem. I don't believe in souls.

[T-Rav]

Alright DV, this is an interesting topic for me. I won't go into the sordid details, but I'll give the coffee table version.

Fell madly in love 8 years ago. The serious soul type, this is the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with and will do anything for kind of love. I was surprised to say the least.

Got married, had a couple of kids. Relationship had its ups and downs. I never even considered cheating on her in any way shape or form.

She broke my heart, cheated on me, and left me. We tried to reconcile several times, and finally decided enough was enough. It was a rough couple of years. Officially divorced last month.

There is however a happy ending. I voted "I love being single and fucking around." After being seperated and enjoying time by myself, I can't imagine being in a serious relationship. I've been down that road, enjoyed it while it lasted...but doubt that I will do it again (I realize that is a normal response, but I believe it right now). No one tells me what to do, where to sleep, or how to live. It fucking rules.

I am in my prime, still young, but with good experience under my belt. I am confident, have two great kids that I adore, and have the rest of my life ahead of me. Life is grand. I have no regrets, wouldn't change a thing, and still love my ex-wife (I imagine I always will).

I also see a counselor once a week to keep my shit straight (I have for the last 5 years).

[sextoyking]

T-Rav,

good post bro. Well for me I never cheated on my X-wife or old girlfriends. I like to stay faithful in a relationship, trust is very important to me.

If you wanna mess around no reason to be committed :)

[Dianna Vesta]

T-Rav,

I’m sorry your heart is broken. It sucks and it happens to us all. I’ve been in love at least a dozen times. Trust me when I tell you what I’m talking about is different.

If you look back on your past relationships, the serious ones that broke your heart or left you in a tail spin you’ll see that each time you fell in love again it was better. Each time you know more; learn more and you’re more able to love more deeply. That is if you don’t get burned and turn completely off, shut everyone out and take the attitude that none of them are worth it.

In my 44 years I’ve had some wonderful relationships and I’ve had some crappie ones. I’m convinced that it was all a learning process and helped me grow into the woman I am today. My capacity of love has definitely changed. In this relationship I am more tolerant, compassionate and less selfish. So in my eyes all those broken hearts gave me the tools I need to love better today.

Nothing in life is certain. If there is anything better then what I have today then OK. Today it’s the best I have but I’ll gladly welcome any type of change that can come my way. The past 4 years have been especially difficult for me. I vowed to stay single and the truth was that I just didn’t have any room inside to deal with another drama. Relationships are all about timing.

Fuck around, enjoy your freedom and have a good time. When you least expect it she’ll come waltzing into your life. ALWAYS take a chance even if it means you’ll hurt yourself. Have courage to know that it will pass and leave you even that much more a seasoned man…a man who offers a lot.

Damn I’m getting really sentimental here, huh? Lol - I think my eyes even watered a bit.

T-Rav here’s something I store on my HD that you should read and make a copy of.

"The Awakening"

A time comes in your life when you finally get it...when, in the midst of all your fears and insanity, you stop dead in your tracks and somewhere the voice inside your head cries out...ENOUGH! Enough fighting and crying and blaming and struggling to hold on.

Then, like a child quieting down after a tantrum, you blink back your tears and begin to look at the world through new eyes.

This is your awakening.

You realize it's time to stop hoping and waiting for something to change, or for happiness, safety and security to magically appear over the next horizon.

You realize that in the real world there aren't always fairy tale endings, and that any guarantee of "happily ever after" must begin with you... and in the process a sense of serenity is born of acceptance.

You awaken to the fact that you are not perfect and that not everyone will always love, appreciate or approve of who or what you are... and that's OK. They are entitled to their own views and opinions.

You learn the importance of loving and championing yourself... and in the process a sense of new found confidence is born of self-approval.

You stop complaining and blaming other people for the things they did to you - or didn't do for you - and you learn that the only thing you can really count on is the unexpected.

You learn that people don't always say what they mean or mean what they say and that not everyone will always be there for you and that everything isn't always about you.

So, you learn to stand on your own and to take care of yourself... and in the process a sense of safety and security is born of self-reliance.

You stop judging and pointing fingers and you begin to accept people as they are and to overlook their shortcomings and human frailties... and in the process a sense of peace and contentment is born of forgiveness.

You learn to open up to new worlds and different points of view. You begin reassessing and redefining who you are and what you really stand for.

You learn the difference between wanting and needing and you begin to discard the doctrines and values you've outgrown, or should never have bought into to begin with.

You learn that there is power and glory in creating and contributing and you stop maneuvering through life merely as a "consumer" looking for your next fix.

You learn that principles such as honesty and integrity are not the outdated ideals of a bygone era, but the mortar that holds together the foundation upon which you must build a life.

You learn that you don't know everything, it's not your job to save the world and that you can't teach a pig to sing. You learn that the only cross to bear is the one you choose to carry and that martyrs get burned at the stake.

Then you learn about love. You learn to look at relationships as they really are and not as you would have them be. You learn that alone does not mean lonely.

You stop trying to control people, situations and outcomes. You learn to distinguish between guilt and responsibility and the importance of setting boundaries and learning to say NO.

You also stop working so hard at putting your feelings aside, smoothing things over and ignoring your needs.

You learn that your body really is your temple. You begin to care for it and treat it with respect. You begin to eat a balanced diet, drink more water, and take more time to exercise.

You learn that being tired fuels doubt, fear, and uncertainty and so you take more time to rest. And, just as food fuels the body, laughter fuels our soul. So you take more time to laugh and to play.

You learn that, for the most part, you get in life what you believe you deserve, and that much of life truly is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You learn that anything worth achieving is worth working for and that wishing for something to happen is different than working toward making it happen.

More importantly, you learn that in order to achieve success you need direction, discipline and perseverance. You also learn that no one can do it all alone, and that it's OK to risk asking for help.


You learn the only thing you must truly fear is fear itself. You learn to step right into and through your fears because you know that whatever happens you can handle it and to give in to fear is to give away the right to live life on your own terms.

You learn to fight for your life and not to squander it living under a cloud of impending doom.

You learn that life isn't always fair, you don't always get what you think you deserve and that sometimes bad things happen to unsuspecting, good people... and you learn not to always take it personally.

You learn that nobody's punishing you and everything isn't always somebody's fault. It's just life happening. You learn to admit when you are wrong and to build bridges instead of walls.

You learn that negative feelings such as anger, envy and resentment must be understood and redirected or they will suffocate the life out of you and poison the universe that surrounds you.

You learn to be thankful and to take comfort in many of the simple things we take for granted, things that millions of people upon the earth can only dream about: a full refrigerator, clean running water, a soft warm bed, a long hot shower.

Then, you begin to take responsibility for yourself by yourself and you make yourself a promise to never betray yourself and to never, ever settle for less than your heart's desire.

You make it a point to keep smiling, to keep trusting, and to stay open to every wonderful possibility.

You hang a wind chime outside your window so you can listen to the wind.

Finally, with courage in your heart, you take a stand, you take a deep breath, and you begin to design the life you want to live as best you can.

[B1tch]

I’ve been with my hubby for 14 years and married for 5 of them (childhood sweethearts) and I can truly say he’s not only a loving husband but my best friend too. :inlove:

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 3 2003, 10:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 3 2003, 10:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Dianna Vesta@Jun 3 2003, 10:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 3 2003, 10:08 AM
Of course I am a guy, so seperating sex and love is not an issue. I would feel more betrayed if my partner was spending a lot of emotiona, quality time with someone else, not giving it to me....
***********************************************


hahahahhahaaha,
we never discussed this but now I know why we are partners...
;-))

I once told to one of my exes:
I don't care whom you have flings with, but if you go to the theater or museums with them and not me-
I'll be REAL pissed!
;-))))
So Serge... where's Lady Law? It's like she disappeared.
DV,
she is cheating on me as we speak but...NO QUALITY TIME![/b][/quote]
Hmmmm Ok. So then other then her cheating on you, it's all good, right?

What kind of quality time do you need?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Jun 3 2003, 12:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Jun 3 2003, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 3 2003, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by -Dianna Vesta@Jun 3 2003, 10:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 3 2003, 10:08 AM
Of course I am a guy, so seperating sex and love is not an issue. I would feel more betrayed if my partner was spending a lot of emotiona, quality time with someone else, not giving it to me....
***********************************************


hahahahhahaaha,
we never discussed this but now I know why we are partners...
;-))

I once told to one of my exes:
I don't care whom you have flings with, but if you go to the theater or museums with them and not me-
I'll be REAL pissed!
;-))))
So Serge... where's Lady Law? It's like she disappeared.
DV,
she is cheating on me as we speak but...NO QUALITY TIME!
Hmmmm Ok. So then other then her cheating on you, it's all good, right?

What kind of quality time do you need?[/b][/quote]
DV,
yeah, sure, but now she is pregnant and we don't know who the mother is
;-))))

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 3 2003, 12:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 3 2003, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Dianna Vesta@Jun 3 2003, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 3 2003, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by -Dianna Vesta@Jun 3 2003, 10:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Jun 3 2003, 10:08 AM
Of course I am a guy, so seperating sex and love is not an issue. I would feel more betrayed if my partner was spending a lot of emotiona, quality time with someone else, not giving it to me....
***********************************************


hahahahhahaaha,
we never discussed this but now I know why we are partners...
;-))

I once told to one of my exes:
I don't care whom you have flings with, but if you go to the theater or museums with them and not me-
I'll be REAL pissed!
;-))))
So Serge... where's Lady Law? It's like she disappeared.
DV,
she is cheating on me as we speak but...NO QUALITY TIME!
Hmmmm Ok. So then other then her cheating on you, it's all good, right?

What kind of quality time do you need?
DV,
yeah, sure, but now she is pregnant and we don't know who the mother is
;-))))[/b][/quote]
Hopefully you'll know who the muther is when the kid spits out. If it's a KID then I guess you'll know. lol

So here's goes the dance some more.

Please give her my best. I think about her often and I'm wondering why I haven't heard from her in so long.

[Winetalk.com]

Hopefully you'll know who the muther is when the kid spits out. If it's a KID then I guess you'll know. lol

So here's goes the dance some more.

Please give her my best. I think about her often and I'm wondering why I haven't heard from her in so long.
**********************************************

DV,
I give her your best,
she is doing very strange things lately..
she cooks, cleans, shops, I am VERY puzzled myself!
;_)))

[cj]

guess which one i chose
:biglaugh:

[Winetalk.com]

I love being single and fucking around.

I raised my "daughter" well
;-)))

[cj]

:okthumb:

except the fucking around part is missing ... but i'm working on that
:P

[Dravyk]

Wondering how Brad would answer if he still did boards. :lol:

[sarettah]

Jen and I have been married for 3 years coming up on June 17 :))

Neither of us had ever been married before (I am 47, Jen is 21+ :))

We originally met back in 1986 or 1987, went out for a while and then for various reasons, went our seperate ways....

I realized at some point after she had left back then that I had blown it... That she was THE ONE and I had been too fucking stupid and clueless to realize it.....

Back at that point, I tried to find her, but she had moved from Kansas City and I could not pick up a line on her....

Enter the internet....

Back in 98, I started looking for her a bit on the net. I knew what her interests had been and started searching through various Newsgroups etc to see if she was posting somewhere... I came up with a possible and went ahead and wrote a stupid sounding email... Turned out that I had lucked out and it was her :) Rest is history, we got married on a canoe trip in 2000, she moved up here (we kept her condo in Fort Myers though), we bought our house , etc....

I cannot speak for her, but I am wildly in love with this woman... There is really nothing wrong that she could do that I would not be able to forgive. She makes live worth living.... Literally.

:inlove:

(sorry for getting mushy.... She's great in bed too) :yowsa:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 3 2003, 07:29 PM
Jen and I have been married for 3 years coming up on June 17 :))

Neither of us had ever been married before (I am 47, Jen is 21+ :))

We originally met back in 1986 or 1987, went out for a while and then for various reasons, went our seperate ways....

I hope she's a lot "+" 21 or else you were dating her the first time when she was around 4 or 5. :awinky:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Peaches+Jun 3 2003, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Jun 3 2003, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Jun 3 2003, 07:29 PM
Jen and I have been married for 3 years coming up on June 17 :))

Neither of us had ever been married before (I am 47, Jen is 21+ :))

We originally met back in 1986 or 1987, went out for a while and then for various reasons, went our seperate ways....

I hope she's a lot "+" 21 or else you were dating her the first time when she was around 4 or 5. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
lolol peaches...

yes, but I can't say her age...

I can however say that I married an older woman :)

(not much older but a year or so older)


:)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 3 2003, 06:29 PM


(sorry for getting mushy.... She's great in bed too) :yowsa:
pictures, please!
;-)))) :nyanya:

[sarettah]

http://www.awrats.com/images/great_bed.jpg

:nyanya:

[Vick]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 3 2003, 09:09 PM
http://www.awrats.com/images/great_bed.jpg

:nyanya:
Very Nice!

Edit - lots of places to hide in the bushes with a telephoto lens - not that I'd ever do that



Last edited by Vick at Jun 3 2003, 09:17 PM

[Timon]

Damn, I don't know where you live but it's gotta get fucking hot in that room! It looks like a greenhouse!



Last edited by Timon at Jun 3 2003, 11:45 PM

[Timon]

Why am I the only one who posted "I'd cheat if the right sitution presented itself."

Hypocrits!! Every man would cheat if the situation was right enough!!

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 3 2003, 11:44 PM
Why am I the only one who posted "I'd cheat if the right sitution presented itself."

Hypocrits!! Every man would cheat if the situation was right enough!!
A few years ago I would have agreed with you....

But then I got castrate... er, I mean married :yowsa:

[Timon]

So if you would be on a holiday by yourself on the other side of the world and you met Jenna Jameson on the elevator while you're going up to your hotel room at 2am, drunk, and she would start hitting on you, would you tell her to fuck off or suck you off?

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 3 2003, 08:44 PM
Why am I the only one who posted "I'd cheat if the right sitution presented itself."

Hypocrits!! Every man would cheat if the situation was right enough!!
No Timon. Not every man.

[Timon]

Originally posted by Anthony@Jun 3 2003, 11:53 PM

No Timon. Not every man.
Maybe not every male but every MAN sure would!!

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 3 2003, 08:53 PM
So if you would be on a holiday by yourself on the other side of the world and you met Jenna Jameson on the elevator while you're going up to your hotel room at 2am, drunk, and she would start hitting on you, would you tell her to fuck off or suck you off?
Timon,

Depends if you were trading "Up" or "Down". =o)

My girl and I have gone through alot together, and frankly, she's pretty hot. Only an insecure individual would be willing to throw everything away for pussy that might or might not live up to the fantasy.

I won't even say what she said when she read my post. Something to do about being tighter and doing her excercises. =o)

[Timon]

No an insecure individual would be too scared to get caught ;-)

But I understand you can't speak freely with the misses peeking over your shoulder so I'll forgive your lameness for now ;-))

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 3 2003, 11:53 PM
So if you would be on a holiday by yourself on the other side of the world and you met Jenna Jameson on the elevator while you're going up to your hotel room at 2am, drunk, and she would start hitting on you, would you tell her to fuck off or suck you off?
Am I drunk, or is she drunk ? :yowsa:

[Timon]

Why would she need to be drunk to get arroused by a handsome stud like you.... YOU are the drunk one!

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 3 2003, 09:02 PM
No an insecure individual would be too scared to get caught ;-)

But I understand you can't speak freely with the misses peeking over your shoulder so I'll forgive your lameness for now ;-))
Even if she were not over my shoulder the answer would be the same.

Do you think they will revoke my membership to the secret Men club for this?

[Timon]

Not to worry, I believe they wouldn't have let you in in the first place ;-))

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Jun 3 2003, 03:11 PM
Wondering how Brad would answer if he still did boards. :lol:
He'd have to look at his relationship calendar.

I did take cj's choice tho :)))))

[Dianna Vesta]

I can honestly say that I don't know very many men who wouldn't cheat if the right opportunity presented itself. He might be fighting like the dickens but he’ll at least unzip his pants and get his dick sucked OR beat off while she’s standing there. He’ll then justify that as NOT cheating because he didn’t fuck or kiss her. Lol

[Timon]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Jun 4 2003, 06:14 AM
He?ll then justify that as NOT cheating because he didn?t fuck or kiss her. Lol
Yep or justify it as NOT lying under oath ;-))

[Almighty Colin]

nm



Last edited by Colin at Jun 4 2003, 06:42 AM

[JR]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Jun 4 2003, 03:14 AM
I can honestly say that I don't know very many men who wouldn't cheat if the right opportunity presented itself. He might be fighting like the dickens but he’ll at least unzip his pants and get his dick sucked OR beat off while she’s standing there. He’ll then justify that as NOT cheating because he didn’t fuck or kiss her. Lol
Leave former US Presidents out of this!

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 4 2003, 12:35 AM
Why would she need to be drunk to get arroused by a handsome stud like you.... YOU are the drunk one!
Ahhh... there's the rub....

I have been known to do many many stupid things when really drunk...

That's why I rarely drink any more....

And as to the patronizing "handsome stud", you obviously haven't seen my pic anywhere..lolol....

It has taken me a long time to learn about actions and consequences...

But after 3 kids (1 set of 21 year old twins and an eleven year old daughter) I have learned that for every unzipping, for every letting my dick do the thinking for me, there are consequences to bear....

The action in this case would be breaking promises I have made.

The consequence in this case would be the possibility of hurting someone I love very much and possibly losing the best things I have ever had...

The consequences in this case far outweigh the momentary pleasure...

Would I be tempted, surely... I am male and all males are sluts down inside...

Would I succumb.... No.. Not even drunk.....

But as I say, a few years back, the answers would have been different...

[Peaches]

Wasn't it "Friends" that had the "list"? Each partner could write down a list of a handful of people that if they situation ever presented itself, you were allowed to follow through. :awinky:

True cheating is lying. And IMHO, lying to ANYONE is a show of a lack of respect for the person you're lying to.

And no, I've never cheated on a spouse or boyfriend, nor have a I ever been with anyone who was married. If they had a girlfriend...well, that I've done. :awinky:

[sarettah]

I was thinking about this thread as I drove into work this morning. The realization hit me that the way people think about these questions might reveal a bit about how they are in business matters also.

If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.

[Anthony]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 4 2003, 07:38 AM
If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
You hit the nail right on the head Sarettah.

Why should anyone trust who they do business with not to cheat them if they cheat on their mates?

Trust is important to any relationship. Business or Personal.



Last edited by Anthony at Jun 4 2003, 09:43 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Anthony+Jun 4 2003, 12:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anthony @ Jun 4 2003, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Jun 4 2003, 07:38 AM
If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
You hit the nail right on the head Sarettah.

Why should anyone trust who they do business with not to cheat them if they cheat on their mates?

Trust is important to any relationship. Business or Personal.[/b][/quote]
Anthony,
do you trust me?

I've been cheating on 'em all....

[Nickatilynx]

I've been cheating on 'em all....


ahahahahahaha

And I have been faithful to them all....in my own fashion. ;-)))

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 4 2003, 09:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 4 2003, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Anthony@Jun 4 2003, 12:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Jun 4 2003, 07:38 AM
If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
You hit the nail right on the head Sarettah.

Why should anyone trust who they do business with not to cheat them if they cheat on their mates?

Trust is important to any relationship. Business or Personal.
Anthony,
do you trust me?

I've been cheating on 'em all....[/b][/quote]
Hahahaha, you are always honest up front. It's the say one thing, do another type that I'm talking about.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Anthony+Jun 4 2003, 01:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anthony @ Jun 4 2003, 01:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 4 2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by -Anthony@Jun 4 2003, 12:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Jun 4 2003, 07:38 AM
If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
You hit the nail right on the head Sarettah.

Why should anyone trust who they do business with not to cheat them if they cheat on their mates?

Trust is important to any relationship. Business or Personal.
Anthony,
do you trust me?

I've been cheating on 'em all....
Hahahaha, you are always honest up front. It's the say one thing, do another type that I'm talking about.[/b][/quote]
that's true,
I never lie, but...most of the times nobody wants to beleive me
;-)))

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 4 2003, 02:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 4 2003, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Anthony@Jun 4 2003, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@Jun 4 2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by -Anthony@Jun 4 2003, 12:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Jun 4 2003, 07:38 AM
If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
You hit the nail right on the head Sarettah.

Why should anyone trust who they do business with not to cheat them if they cheat on their mates?

Trust is important to any relationship. Business or Personal.
Anthony,
do you trust me?

I've been cheating on 'em all....
Hahahaha, you are always honest up front. It's the say one thing, do another type that I'm talking about.
that's true,
I never lie, but...most of the times nobody wants to beleive me
;-)))[/b][/quote]
It's your innocent face.

[Torone]

Cheating is breaking the rules of the relationship...it's that simple.

[B1tch]

Originally posted by Torone@Jun 5 2003, 06:25 AM
Cheating is breaking the rules of the relationship...it's that simple.
I totally agree with you… but who makes the rules and why are the rules so easy to break? :huh:



Last edited by B1tch at Jun 5 2003, 07:13 AM

[Menace]

ahh cheating..

Thought about it.... Sure.

Fantasies about it... sure..

actually doing it... never.

I'd sooner leave than cheat - that goes for business and pleasure alike.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 3 2003, 08:09 PM
http://www.awrats.com/images/great_bed.jpg

:nyanya:
Ooh yucky. All that sun would drive me mad. Like sleeping in a tent. Although I understand some people worship the sun, you look like one of them.

My wife and I had the classic out-of-highschool mad love story. We had kids young: she was 20, I was 21 and tiny quarrels and bitchfights aside, after 13 years I can tell you it really takes some years before the strains of time affect ANY relationship.

I still love my wife and she still loves me but we are currently separated while we ponder our next moves. I remember some guy at one of our weddings ( it was so nice, we did it twice - on Halloween with a pumpkin aisle ), this total drunk that stumbled into our first wedding on the beach. In the only moment of clarity he said: "Grow together, not apart!"

The key I think is friendship, it helps if your mate is also your good or best friend, a confidant. Obviously by having secret relationships outside the main one, one in effect disables the friendship part which is directly linked to intimacy (I don't mean just fucking) and creates for the beautiful eco-system we call love and marriage :inlove:



Last edited by Ironhorse at Jun 5 2003, 01:38 PM

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Ironhorse@Jun 5 2003, 03:28 PM
Ooh yucky. All that sun would drive me mad. Like sleeping in a tent. Although I understand some people worship the sun, you look like one of them.
MOST people don't sleep during the time of day that the sun is out. :awinky:

[sarettah]

:)

Actually, it came with the house ...lolol.....

But we love it, especially at night... Can watch the stars and the moon and storms coming in... Very cool at night...

It does get hot during the summer, but there is a big sliding door to the right of the bed that leads to a "martini deck" (Jen's term not mine) and that overlooks a 16X32 X 5ft inground pool.... So, there are many nights during the summer, when we can't sleep for one reason or another that we end up skinnydipping at 1 or 2 in the morning :)

[Vick]

I'll have more to say on this in a few weeks but.....

As animals men are not programmed to be monogamous (please remember I am saying as an animal, not as thinking, feeling human beings)

As animals men are naturally inclined to spread their seed as much as possible (look at mating rituals of higher primates)

On the other hand as an animal it benefits a woman to attract a man (a good man that is) to a monogamous relationship due to the benefits it brings (not that a women in today's society needs a man to provide those benefits) such as food and shelter while the female is the primary nurturer of the child

Remember we go back to hunters and gathers


As far as the original question
If you are lying and cheating or even having indiscretions ........ (this thought allows for those who have open relations as long as they remain open)
Why are you in a partnership to begin with?

[Candice]

Originally posted by sarettah+Jun 3 2003, 04:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Jun 3 2003, 04:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Peaches@Jun 3 2003, 07:32 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@Jun 3 2003, 07:29 PM
Jen and I have been married for 3 years coming up on June 17 :))

Neither of us had ever been married before (I am 47, Jen is 21+ :))

We originally met back in 1986 or 1987, went out for a while and then for various reasons, went our seperate ways....

I hope she's a lot "+" 21 or else you were dating her the first time when she was around 4 or 5. :awinky:
lolol peaches...

yes, but I can't say her age...

I can however say that I married an older woman :)

(not much older but a year or so older)


:)[/b][/quote]
age doesn't matter and if you're really "in love" with somebody, if he/she cheated you....still you can forgive her no matter what.......... :okthumb:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 5 2003, 04:53 PM
As far as the original question
If you are lying and cheating or even having indiscretions ........ (this thought allows for those who have open relations as long as they remain open)
Why are you in a partnership to begin with?
Exactly. B)

[cj]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 3 2003, 11:44 PM
Why am I the only one who posted "I'd cheat if the right sitution presented itself."

Hypocrits!! Every man would cheat if the situation was right enough!!
Timon, if i could pick 2 i would have joined you on that one ;-)))

most women would too ... but we generally have less free time :P

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Candice@Jun 5 2003, 04:13 PM
if you're really "in love" with somebody, if he/she cheated you....still you can forgive her no matter what.......... :okthumb:
:ph34r:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by cj@Jun 5 2003, 08:54 PM
most women would too ... but we generally have less free time :P
"Sex and the City", Friends, Soap Operas? What IS it? I have to know :-)

[HoneyBlond]

As far as the original question
If you are lying and cheating or even having indiscretions ........
Why are you in a partnership to begin with?



Good Rhetoric Vic, :)

If you are not happy in a relationship get out !
Kind of simple really.

I believe in Karma and treating people as one would like/expect to be treated themselves.
I personally am monogamous and I expect my partner to be the same.
When single, I consider Married/Partnered Men are out of bounds.

In any relationship Trust & Respect play major roles, without them
it won't be much of a relationship.

:)

[Raven]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 4 2003, 07:38 AM
I was thinking about this thread as I drove into work this morning. The realization hit me that the way people think about these questions might reveal a bit about how they are in business matters also.

If a person would break a promise to their wife/husband/significant other, which should be a very important promise, then what would stop them from breaking promises in business.
I agree with your statement...that the way someone treats their marriage relationships can often correlate with how one treats their business relationships.

To me, marriage is a contractual agreement. Regardless of what is agreed upon in said contract...it's binding. A contract is also a fluid agreement that can and does require updating and negotiation throughout the life of the partnership.

If both parties agree that sex outside the marriage is not cool, then neither partner should have sex outside the marriage. It seems pretty clear cut to me.

I see marriage as being a partnership between friends/lovers. Both sides bring something to the table...which includes honour, the potential for trust throughout the years.....loyalty....sexual gratification...emotional support and gratification and a whole lot of negotiation to ensure growth.

Anybody who thinks marriage is something that doesn't need a whole lot of care and investment is on the road to divorce and disenchantment.

[Timon]

Originally posted by cj@Jun 5 2003, 08:54 PM

Timon, if i could pick 2 i would have joined you on that one ;-)))

most women would too ... but we generally have less free time :P
Your honesty is refreshing ;-)

[Timon]

Originally posted by Anthony@Jun 4 2003, 12:42 PM
Why should anyone trust who they do business with not to cheat them if they cheat on their mates?

Trust is important to any relationship. Business or Personal.
The less people you trust the longer you'll be in business.

Trust is economical suicide.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 6 2003, 10:01 AM

The less people you trust the longer you'll be in business.

Trust is economical suicide.
P E A R L !!!!!!!!!!!

[HoneyBlond]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 7 2003, 02:01 AM
The less people you trust the longer you'll be in business.

Trust is economical suicide.
:lol:

The reason it is funny is 'cause its true

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 6 2003, 10:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 6 2003, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Timon@Jun 6 2003, 10:01 AM

The less people you trust the longer you'll be in business.

Trust is economical suicide.
P E A R L !!!!!!!!!!![/b][/quote]
You guys sound like cranky old men. ;-)