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[Peaches]

A link from Boortz's column:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/...3003may30.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-asecnocredit30053003may30.story)

So...these people not only want a refund on something they've NEVER PAID, but Daschle is going to try to get it for them. :zoinks:

I'm going to Sears today and demand a refund for the $4000 widescreen TV I never bought. :unsure:

[wig]

"Democrats campaigning for the White House have seized on the issue to paint Bush as unconcerned about America's working poor."

They should push for a Welfare bill, rather than mischaracterize a tax cut bill.

Doesn't have the political bite, though. <_<

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jun 2 2003, 07:38 AM
A link from Boortz's column:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/...3003may30.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-asecnocredit30053003may30.story)

So...these people not only want a refund on something they've NEVER PAID, but Daschle is going to try to get it for them. :zoinks:

I'm going to Sears today and demand a refund for the $4000 widescreen TV I never bought. :unsure:
BoortZ is a good egg.
Back in the day he had his own mailing list on the net and it was also echoed thru several BBSes.
Best part was he would get on the radio and talk about the BBS.

Hes a member over at the Ravinia Club where I have a membership.
Maybe he will be a celebrity bartender one night and Ill invite you down and let him pour you a few.

[JR]

I thought this one was pretty interesting.


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DUBYA'S TAX-CUT CATCH-22 FOR DEMS

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May 29, 2003 -- THE hazard of passing a landmark bill is that you lose the use of the associated issue in the next election: A president in his first term is banking the achievement, at the risk of making it harder to campaign for a second term. Since gratitude is a slender basis for winning re-election, most politicians would rather leave their agenda at least partially unfulfilled to run on it for another term.
But President Bush, in an unparalleled act of political brilliance, has managed to figure out how to have his cake and eat it too: Pocket the accomplishment of a tax cut, while preserving it as an issue for the next election.

He did it by letting himself be "defeated" in his demand for a $750 billion tax cut stretching over the next 10 years. Instead, he accepted what appeared to be less than half a loaf, agreeing to a $320 billion cut that sunsets in 2006.

That deal -with the Democrats and moderates in his own party - looks like typical legislative compromise, but is actually a move of incredible political acumen: The "sunset" provision, under which the tax cut automatically lapses unless expressly extended by new legislation, makes taxes a front-and-center issue of the 2004 election.

Now Bush can send refund checks of $400 for each child to 25 million households this summer, slash the tax on dividends and capital gains to 15 percent and reduce tax rates on all three brackets - all effective immediately - and still be able to base his re-election campaign on the need to preserve his tax cuts.

The president can run for re-election with an economy stimulated by his tax cuts and still have the issue to use in the '04 contest.

With the tax cuts slated to expire in the opening years of the next presidential term, every Democratic candidate will have to answer the question: "Will you support extending the Bush tax cut?"


A "no" will be required to win enough primary votes to get the nomination. But a "yes" will be necessary to prevail in the general election. Bush has put the Democrats in an impossible position.

But the maneuver is even more impressive: It shows a really sophisticated appreciation of how the tax-cut issue works on a political level.

The constituency for a tax cut is always limited. Bush has never had much of a majority - if any - behind him on his tax cuts. After basing his campaign for the Republican nomination on tax cuts, he wisely stopped talking much about them and stressed an increased commitment to education and "compassionate conservatism" in his general-election platform.

Asked on a recent Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll if they wanted a tax cut and how large it should be, only 20 percent of the sample opted for the full $750 billion recommended by the president.

But the issue in 2004 won't be whether to cut taxes - it will be whether to raise them, by letting the cut expire. And any poll asking if voters want a tax increase will find huge majorities saying, "No way!"

Accordingly, Bush won't accuse his rivals of opposing the tax cut. Rather, he'll charge that they want a tax hike.

In the language of electoral politics, that is the equivalent of supporting murder, rape and arson. The last candidate who ran promising to raise taxes was Walter Mondale in 1984 - who lost in a landslide.

Bush will happily tick off the tax "increases" his rival supports by refusing to extend the tax cuts past the sunset.

How can a Democrat oppose expanding the child-tax credit, lowering the tax rates on the two lowest brackets and repealing of the marriage penalty?

You can't win on that platform in November. But a candidate who doesn't embrace it in the primaries won't get nominated.

[Vick]

"But how fair or unfair that is may be in the eye of the beholder: Many of the lower-income workers who won't get checks pay little or no income taxes in the first place. For them, the $400-per-child check would have been not so much a refund as a windfall"

And that mentality is a large part of my problem with Democrats!!!!!!

the "oh you're giving money back TO THOSE WHO PAID TAXES BUT WE DIDN'T PAY THE SAME TAXES BUT WE WANT THE SAME MONEY BACK"

to them I say a heart felt .......... FUCK YOU!!!!

This is not a society of from Each According to His Ability, To Each According to His Need - although many bleeding heart, tree hugging (dem) or not would like to make it that way

beyond that I personally don't agree with this tax "rebate" as it is not supported by equal tax spending reductions but that's another bowl of wax apples



Last edited by Vick at Jun 2 2003, 12:02 PM

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 2 2003, 01:00 PM
And that mentality is a large part of my problem with Democrats!!!!!!

the "oh you're giving money back TO THOSE WHO PAID TAXES BUT WE DIDN'T PAY THE SAME TAXES BUT WE WANT THE SAME MONEY BACK"

to them I say a heart felt .......... FUCK YOU!!!!
What's even more bizarre is that their example in the paper is a woman who has FIVE CHILDREN and make $17K a year. And don't EVEN try to tell me she's not getting government aid to take care of those kids. :angry:

Here's another funny, but sadly true snippet from Boortz:

THE POOR, POOR PITIFUL POOR

Some of you remember the conversation I had with “Cheyenne” yesterday. She has two kids, not married, and makes about $14,000. She pays absolutely no income tax whatsoever and gets about $4,000 from the government --- that sickening Earned Income Tax Credit nonsense. What’s more, she sees absolutely nothing wrong with her scenario … after all, her parents pay taxes. I know you remember the conversation because I’ve received quite a few messages telling me what a heartless slob I am for challenging Cheyenne’s claim to someone else’s property.

My guess is that for most of her life Cheyenne has been surrounded by a bunch of supportive friends telling her that none of this is her fault.. You have two kids you can’t support? Well, that’s not your fault … blame their father(s). You don’t make enough money? That greedy boss of yours is trying to just keep it all for himself.

So – finally someone spells it out. This lady made choices, and those choices led to her being a single mother of two with marketable job skills …. And now she feels entitled to someone else’s money.

I took a few minutes to scrip a little meeting from a Cheyenne-type citizen and her congressman. See what you think.

(As the curtain rises we find Congressman Dewey Cheatem sitting behind his desk in his home district office. Ima Whiner, one of his constituents, has wormed her way into an appointment with Congressman Cheatem to voice some concerns.)
Yes, Ms. Whiner, what can I do for you?

I need some help. I just can’t make ends meet any more.

What kind of help?

Money. I need some money. I just don’t make enough money to support my family.

Your family? Tell me about them.

I have two kids. Seven and ten.

What does your husband do?

I’m not married.

Divorced?

No. I’m just not married.

Does the kid’s father help to support them?

No, neither one of them do.

Neither one of them?

Yeah. They have different fathers.

What do you do for a living?

Nails.

You do nails?

Yeah, you know, nails. I do nails at Nail Fantasy at the mall.

How much money do you make doing nails.

Not enough. I make about $14,000 a year.

How much education do you have?

I like finished high school, you know, but college just wasn’t for me. I wanted a new car, you know, and I needed to go to work to get the money for payments.

Your oldest child is ten. How old are you?

I’m 26.

OK .. what do you want from me? Why did you come see me today?

I need more money. I know there must be some sort of like government checks I can get. I keep hearing about people getting checks for all sorts of things. I want a check.

With your income, you don’t pay income taxes, do you?

No, but I have payroll taxes … and I should get some of that money back. Other people are getting checks. I want a check.

Wait a minute --- I have something here that might help you.

(Congressman Cheatem reaches into his desk drawer and pulls out a .38 caliber revolver – he pushes it across the desk to Ima.)

Do you know what this is?

It’s a gun.

Can you use one?

Yeah, my first baby’s daddy showed me how.

OK then. I want you to take this gun, go find someone who has been more responsible with their life than you have, and I want you to use this gun to rob them. That way you should be able to get the money you say you need.

Rob them? I can’t just walk up to someone and rob them! Are you crazy?

Why can’t you?

Because that’s, you know, illegal. It’s, like, illegal! I could get caught and they could put me in jail!

But you’re here asking me for a check! What if there was some sort of a government check you could get, where do you think that money would come from?

I don’t know. The government?

Sure, the government. But where does the government get its money?

The taxpayers, I guess.

Yeah, the taxpayers. So you want me to arrange for some money to be taken from these taxpayers and given to you, right?

Well, other people are getting checks. Why can’t I get one?

Why don’t you just take this gun and go get some!

I can’t!

You mean you won’t. You won’t pick up this gun and go take someone else’s money, but you feel perfectly comfortable coming into my office and asking me to, right?

What do you mean?

Well just how in the hell do you think we get the money you want us to give to you? Do you think these people just come wandering in here with buckets of their money just begging us to find some irresponsible losers to give it to? Come on, girl? We take it, just like I suggested you take it. We take it at the point of a gun! We point that gun at those poor saps and we say “hand it over, or we’ll take every damn thing that you own.”

Well, everybody has to pay taxes!

You don’t!

I know, but that’s because, like , I don’t make enough money!

And whose fault is that?

It’s not my fault. I can’t help it if I just haven’t been as lucky as those other people.

Yeah, you can’t help it. You decided that you needed a new car and you couldn’t afford one if you were going to college, then you decided to get pregnant as a teenager by two different deadbeats who got between your legs and then out of your life … and it’s all someone else’s fault.

Hey! I don’t have to take that from you!

OK … calm down. (The Congressman puts the gun back in his desk drawer) You don’t need to use this gun. You don’t need to because we can.

Who’s “we?”

We .. the government. We can do what you can’t. Like I said, we can use this gun to take property from someone else … and I’ll see to it that some of that money gets to you. You’ll get your check.

Oh, thank you!

But there’s a catch here. You have to do something for me.

Sure! Anything!

No, no. Button your blouse up. That’s not what I had in mind. I have plenty of interns around here that would cause me a lot less grief than you would. What you have to do is get out there and register to vote … register to vote, and then remember just who it is that put that check in your pocket the next time an election rolls around.

No problem! I’ll do it, I promise!

[Vick]

Thanks Peaches - that is excellent and all too sad but true