Oprano position opening part II

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we need...mutt!
yeap,
mutt was in charge of
1) Sport Contests
2) http://opranoplus.com
3) "Pearls Section" maintanance
4) Pictures Content
5) New Product Developments
6) Bringing new sponsors and webmasters on board
7) keeping Oprano spirit high thru out the net


Mutt was a tremendous force behind Oprano's success and
we are all glad that his content/design business grew to the point where he can't longer spare his time, always a pleasure seeing "one of our own" successing!

Job well done on ALL acounts!

can YOU equal/surpass mutt?

send us e-mail to
michael@oprano.com
serge@oprano.com
if you think you can

[$tanDaMan]

Can i apply? :)

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Originally posted by $tanDaMan@May 29 2003, 06:23 AM
Can i apply? :)
if you are serious,
YES....

[LadyMischief]

I could do all of that except the sports. I can't stand sports :(

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Originally posted by LadyMischief@May 29 2003, 06:43 AM
I could do all of that except the sports. I can't stand sports :(
you are a DEFINATE contender for the job,
I read your interview,
you have a free spirit we all can benefit from,
drop me your contact info

[LadyMischief]

I'm just a post whore! :P

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 03:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 03:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 29 2003, 06:43 AM
I could do all of that except the sports. I can't stand sports :(
you are a DEFINATE contender for the job,
I read your interview,
you have a free spirit we all can benefit from,
drop me your contact info[/b][/quote]
Well I'm your woman as long as you find SOMEONE else to do sports :P

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Originally posted by LadyMischief+May 29 2003, 02:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LadyMischief @ May 29 2003, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 03:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 29 2003, 06:43 AM
I could do all of that except the sports. I can't stand sports :(
you are a DEFINATE contender for the job,
I read your interview,
you have a free spirit we all can benefit from,
drop me your contact info
Well I'm your woman as long as you find SOMEONE else to do sports :P[/b][/quote]
I am trying to convince Mike as we speak that WATER sports are the best
;-)))

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -LadyMischief@May 29 2003, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 03:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 29 2003, 06:43 AM
I could do all of that except the sports. I can't stand sports :(
you are a DEFINATE contender for the job,
I read your interview,
you have a free spirit we all can benefit from,
drop me your contact info
Well I'm your woman as long as you find SOMEONE else to do sports :P
I am trying to convince Mike as we speak that WATER sports are the best
;-)))[/b][/quote]
That almost sounds sexy.. We could call it the "Lube-O-Lympics" and we could have sponsors like KY and Wet! We could have all kinds of half naked chicks in rooms covered in plastic rolling around and measure who's nipples get harder faster.

[Ironhorse]

Watersports? Hell, I can do watersports :cdance:

[slavdogg]

i need a new jobby job

[Naughty]

Is it a paid job?
Do you pay in Euros ( :nyanya: ) ?

Can anybody actually >= Mutt ?


:hic:

[Naughty]

Never mind my shortsighted reply above, I clicked straight from your email and missed out on the first one you got pinned.

[Sabby]

I can put one leg behind my head, tie my shoe laces with my teeth, type 80 wpm, talk on the phone, stick a dildo in my ass, and shoot easter eggs out of my cooter all at the same time...

Am I over qualified?

Sabby

[Dianna Vesta]

I can do this. How many hours a day or week does it take? It would be fun!

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@May 29 2003, 02:50 PM
I can do this. How many hours a day or week does it take? It would be fun!
You gonna be greedy and take up BOTH jobs? *sniff* Where's the love!? :P

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Sabby@May 29 2003, 06:15 PM
I can put one leg behind my head, tie my shoe laces with my teeth, type 80 wpm, talk on the phone, stick a dildo in my ass, and shoot easter eggs out of my cooter all at the same time...

Am I over qualified?

Sabby
LOL, Sabby!!! :yowsa:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Sabby@May 29 2003, 05:15 PM
I can put one leg behind my head, tie my shoe laces with my teeth, type 80 wpm, talk on the phone, stick a dildo in my ass, and shoot easter eggs out of my cooter all at the same time...

Am I over qualified?

Sabby
No fair....

I don't have a cooter !!!! :angry:

I am watching very carefully for any pro-cooter discrimination that goes on here !!! Very Very closely....

:rolleyes:

[hibbidiji]

I am totally the man for the job! Is there a number I can call you at? Give me a call and I'll tell you why I'm the right choice!

Andrew
702-400-7158



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Originally posted by Sabby@May 29 2003, 05:15 PM
I can put one leg behind my head, tie my shoe laces with my teeth, type 80 wpm, talk on the phone, stick a dildo in my ass, and shoot easter eggs out of my cooter all at the same time...

Am I over qualified?

Sabby
Sabby,
that NOT the qualities which made mutt famous
;-)))

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:04 PM
I am totally the man for the job! Is there a number I can call you at? Give me a call and I'll tell you why I'm the right choice!

Andrew
702-400-7158
this is a bold claim...

do you mind be interviewed right here?

here is the situation...

The board you are running is slow,
you got the dirt on one of your sponsors.

would you post it and stir shit, risking to lose his business, or not?

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P.S. just to make your life easier...
you are working for BOTH:
1) MikeAI who always stirs shit and can't care less about bottom line

2) Serge, who cares about bottom line and very little else.

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P.P.S.
as I mentioned earlier,
it';s not electrons, bandwidth, HTML, PHP, etc who run the Internet,
PEOPLE do.

so,
what would YOU do?>????

you said you qualified,
now prove it.

[hibbidiji]

Stir it up!
People dont come here for lasagna recipes. They want to know if their getting ripped.
Yup
Stir it up
Andrew

[hibbidiji]

(after a quick icq to Serge)
:)
Andrew

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:27 PM
Stir it up!
People dont come here for lasagna recipes. They want to know if their getting ripped.
Yup
Stir it up
Andrew
..and lose the sponsor whom you know for God knows how many years?

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Andrew,
it was a correct answer, BTW,
finding sposors is easier than run the good and meaningful board

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situation #2.

your sponsor is late with the check,
2 weeks late.

whatta you do?

you can ask me 3 questions if you think you don't have enough information

[hibbidiji]

Why not? Expose the sponsor, bring more traffic to the board, and get bigger and better sponsers... as well as the fact that that sponsor will not pull advertising but fix its ways cause the biggest players in the biz now know about their "dirt"

Andrew

[SykkBoy]

Serge, I would apply, but I'm afraid Mike would make me register as a Republican.....
;))))

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Originally posted by SykkBoy@May 29 2003, 07:38 PM
Serge, I would apply, but I'm afraid Mike would make me register as a Republican.....
;))))
just Mike?????

I am checking as we speak if one can ask employee to start the day singingh the National Anthem on the board!
;-)))

[cj]

Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:36 PM
Why not? Expose the sponsor, bring more traffic to the board, and get bigger and better sponsers... as well as the fact that that sponsor will not pull advertising but fix its ways cause the biggest players in the biz now know about their "dirt"

Andrew
LOL
nice theory


have you ever seen a player fix their ways because of a post on a board!?

[hibbidiji]

Sorry about the cross post

First Email the sponsor.
Then Call the sponsor.
LAST Post

Andrew

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Originally posted by cj+May 29 2003, 07:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ May 29 2003, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:36 PM
Why not? Expose the sponsor, bring more traffic to the board, and get bigger and better sponsers... as well as the fact that that sponsor will not pull advertising but fix its ways cause the biggest players in the biz now know about their "dirt"

Andrew
LOL
nice theory


have you ever seen a player fix their ways because of a post on a board!?[/b][/quote]
me? NEVER!
:-=)))))

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:41 PM
Sorry about the cross post

First Email the sponsor.
Then Call the sponsor.
LAST Post

Andrew
e-mail is not answered,
and you don't have their phone...

whatta you do?

[TheEnforcer]

Quick question for you Serge...

What is the nature of the dirt? IE- is it the "dirt" personal in nature or business in nature? Money now is better than money in the future and risking money now for some dirt that is just personal in nature is different than risking that money now for dirt that has to do with business.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 07:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--SykkBoy@May 29 2003, 07:38 PM
Serge, I would apply, but I'm afraid Mike would make me register as a Republican.....
;))))
just Mike?????

I am checking as we speak if one can ask employee to start the day singingh the National Anthem on the board!
;-)))[/b][/quote]
I could handle singing the National Anhem, but if I were forced to put a picture of Ronald Reagan up near my desk, I might have to test constitutionality ;)

[hibbidiji]

Post a question on the board asking if other Affiliates have recieved their checks.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 07:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 07:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:41 PM
Sorry about the cross post

First Email the sponsor.
Then Call the sponsor.
LAST Post

Andrew
e-mail is not answered,
and you don't have their phone...

whatta you do?[/b][/quote]
Call them out on the board, air the dirt, allow them a good debate to get sympathy...then send them an invoice for double normal advertising prices......

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Originally posted by TheEnforcer@May 29 2003, 07:44 PM
Quick question for you Serge...

What is the nature of the dirt? IE- is it the "dirt" personal in nature or business in nature? Money now is better than money in the future and risking money now for some dirt that is just personal in nature is different than risking that money now for dirt that has to do with business.
the nature of the dirt:
sponsor doubled crossed XYZ (Mr Woods, for example, whom we all know and love) on the business deal.

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:45 PM
Post a question on the board asking if other Affiliates have recieved their checks.
Andrew, what are you reffering to?

[hibbidiji]

I assumed your question was referring to affiliate program not board sponsor.
Andrew

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:50 PM
I assumed your question was referring to affiliate program not board sponsor.
Andrew
Andrew,
my question ARTE about board sponsor,
Oprano is running the board, not affiliate proggy...

I am not testing your knowledge of the Universe, just our businbess
;-))

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 07:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--TheEnforcer@May 29 2003, 07:44 PM
Quick question for you Serge...

What is the nature of the dirt? IE- is it the "dirt" personal in nature or business in nature? Money now is better than money in the future and risking money now for some dirt that is just personal in nature is different than risking that money now for dirt that has to do with business.
the nature of the dirt:
sponsor doubled crossed XYZ (Mr Woods, for example, whom we all know and love) on the business deal.[/b][/quote]
That's business and that's worthy of a post because that business could effect yours. Now if you had said he was caught with a tranny hooker, for example, well then I'd keep my mouth shut because you can't invest back in Oprano with that lost money because you talked about something someone did with a hooker.

[hibbidiji]

Noted, sorry about the mistake. I was assuming the question carried over from the dirt on the Advertiser.

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Andrew,
you never answered question #2 but I have

Situation number 3....

situation..
3 months passed since you started working for Oprano and the Gross went down 7%..

your thoughts:

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Originally posted by TheEnforcer@May 29 2003, 07:53 PM

That's business and that's worthy of a post because that business could effect yours. Now if you had said he was caught with a tranny hooker, for example, well then I'd keep my mouth shut because you can't invest back in Oprano with that lost money because you talked about something someone did with a hooker.
TE,
in the perfect black and white world that would be the case, but...
we are not working in the perfect world
;-((

Board buisness has LOTS of shades of gray

[hibbidiji]

I'd light whatever fire was necessary to get more posters and more sponsers coming on board. Or if all else fails schedule meeting with Serge and Mike Ai to discuss raising advertising consts 10% with a net gain of 3%! Whens my next raise?

[hibbidiji]

My answer to board sponsor late on payment would be Call them and if the phone was out of service of I could not locate the number even though whois or antything then what Sykk said.

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:00 PM
I'd light whatever fire was necessary to get more posters and more sponsers coming on board. Or if all else fails schedule meeting with Serge and Mike Ai to discuss raising advertising consts 10% with a net gain of 3%! Whens my next raise?
Andrew,
this is the second time I am giving you situation without giving you enough information to give the correct answer...
you are NOT asking me the right questions
;-(

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:03 PM
My answer to board sponsor late on payment would be Call them and if the phone was out of service of I could not locate the number even though whois or antything then what Sykk said.
wrong,
you need more information for the correct answer and you failed to ask the right questions...
;-(

[hibbidiji]

OK.
If I'M running the board and managing things then I will be keeping good track of which money is coming from where so I'd know the answers to theses questions:

Is this a loss of sponsership money?
Is this a technical issue - server / bw etc?
Is this a case of too much being spent on promotions / contests?
or is it none of these?
Andrew

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 08:35 PM
situation #2.

your sponsor is late with the check,
2 weeks late.

whatta you do?

you can ask me 3 questions if you think you don't have enough information
That's an easy one - sic John on them. :awinky:

And if gross went down 7% after you came on board, volunteer to take a 10% cut in pay until you got it back up the 7%, plus an addition 3%. :agrin:

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:06 PM
OK.
If I'M running the board and managing things then I will be keeping good track of which money is coming from where so I'd know the answers to theses questions:

Is this a loss of sponsership money?
Is this a technical issue - server / bw etc?
Is this a case of too much being spent on promotions / contests?
or is it none of these?
Andrew
are you asking those question in reference to 2nd or 3rd situation?

[hibbidiji]

3rd for now... we'll get back to #2

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Originally posted by Peaches+May 29 2003, 08:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ May 29 2003, 08:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 08:35 PM
situation #2.

your sponsor is late with the check,
2 weeks late.

whatta you do?

you can ask me 3 questions if you think you don't have enough information
That's an easy one - sic John on them. :awinky:

And if gross went down 7% after you came on board, volunteer to take a 10% cut in pay until you got it back up the 7%, plus an addition 3%. :agrin:[/b][/quote]
Peaches,
it's good answer but..
John was siced 3 weeks passed, nothing happened, what's next?

re:#3...
men don't do those things
;-))
would YOU really do that?

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Is this a loss of sponsership money?
**************************************
yes



Is this a technical issue - server / bw etc?
*************************************
no....



Is this a case of too much being spent on promotions / contests?
************************************************** *****
Oprano is notorious for spending NOTHING on promotions...
we are cheap bastards and "Oprano Dinner" or Oprano BBQ is not counted
;-))))



or is it none of these?
**********************

yes and no
;-)))

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 09:15 PM
Peaches,
it's good answer but..
John was siced 3 weeks passed, nothing happened, what's next?

re:#3...
men don't do those things
;-))
would YOU really do that?
THEN you bring it to the boards, since it's now been FIVE weeks since they haven't paid (the original 2 weeks plus the 3 weeks since John was activated B) )

#3 - Yes, I'd do that! It's nothing different than a commission sales position - if you don't produce, your income drops until you do. I always worked harder when I needed to put food on the table. :awinky:

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see you tomorrow morning....

sleep on it,
the situations are real and you DO need more information for the possible correct answers
;-)))

[hibbidiji]

Did we lose a major sponsor or a combination of smaller ones?
Are the number of posts on the board down, the same or more?

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Originally posted by Peaches+May 29 2003, 08:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ May 29 2003, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 09:15 PM
Peaches,
it's good answer but..
John was siced 3 weeks passed, nothing happened, what's next?

re:#3...
men don't do those things
;-))
would YOU really do that?
THEN you bring it to the boards, since it's now been FIVE weeks since they haven't paid (the original 2 weeks plus the 3 weeks since John was activated B) )

#3 - Yes, I'd do that! It's nothing different than a commission sales position - if you don't produce, your income drops until you do. I always worked harder when I needed to put food on the table. :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Peaches,
now you talk an impossible situation,
5 weeks overdue??????

that would NEVER happen,
as they can only be late 4 weeks before their ad is out and actions taken...
I was referring toi the week #3 of being late
;-)))

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:21 PM
Did we lose a major sponsor or a combination of smaller ones?
Are the number of posts on the board down, the same or more?
Andrew, NOW you are asking the right questions!

I am late, see you tomorrow
;-)

[Toolz]

Sponsor, schmonsor,

We all know the 7% drop is due to Serge's loss on the market this week, only way to make up for it is begin stealing trash from offices of S&P 500 firms and give Gecko, I mean Serge a good stock tip.

Skills? I've been to your dinners, requirements should include getting Billy in the kitchen to cook up some real seafood, these Vegas restaurants don't have anything on his supposed clam bakes, sounds like a front to smoke the illegal tobacco to me.

How do you get people to read the board? Send the 80% of the population who didn't pass 8th grade English back to class to pass high school equivalency tests.

See you don't need Mutt, all your answers are right in front of you.

[sarettah]

Hell... If I knew you were interviewing, I woulda worn a frigging tie....

:lol:

[Bell]

it's a REAL situation, correct ??

who OWES you ??

have they toatly disappeared - or just making themselves
unavailable to you ??

you did get a copy of their DL or similar doc faxed prior to ad placement,
correct ??


you did postal mail something that required a verifcation of delivery
signature way back in week one of board ad placement, correct ??


you did check with their local post office for a mail forwarding
tick, didn't you ??


you did require a copy of a current utility bill in their name
way back in week one, correct ??


you did call the deadbeats neighbors to see if they know where their
neighbor might have moved to, correct ??


you did call the phone company to see if there is a new listing
for them elsewhere (perhaps they moved and have new service)...


you did call their local newspaper to confirm delivery is ongoing,
correct ??


there's tons of othr things you could do if the time and effort is
worth the potential collection $$ - sometimes the time and effort
is better spent elsewhere (Board growth and NEW business -
as opposed to tracing deadbeats... that always seem to resurface
at some point...)


in any event... good luck...

you're doing good - hibbidiji. . .

but I personally think that anyone that has "the DV" offering to
help them in their business and doesn't JUMP on that - - - just might
not realllllly be hiring... :D




~Bell












.



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[cj]

there's tons of othr things you could do if the time and effort is
worth the potential collection $$ - sometimes the time and effort
is better spent elsewhere (Board growth and NEW business -
as opposed to tracing deadbeats... that always seem to resurface
at some point...)

You just answered your own questions ... the background checks you suggested above are a rediculous waste of resources. The customers banners could have been removed and a new sponsor found to replace them in 1/10 of the time it would take you to do all that background checking.

Especially seeing oprano plus doesn't charge much for advertising ... you just spent 3 times the cost of a month of advertising on checking up on the person ...
I'll take a loss of 1 month advertising revenue over all that extra headache anyday.

I've yet to see an applicant volunteer information on how they would bring in traffic and advertisers ... anyone?

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 04:56 PM
Andrew,
you never answered question #2 but I have

Situation number 3....

situation..
3 months passed since you started working for Oprano and the Gross went down 7%..

your thoughts:
Thats certainly a real world question these days with the oversaturation of resources.

Id answer with ...determine what changed and then react.

Changes in this industry come from outside a resource as much as from the inside.
External conditions exist that each resource must react/adapt to in order to survive.

You cant fix a problem unless you know the nature of it.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by cj@May 29 2003, 09:15 PM
I've yet to see an applicant volunteer information on how they would bring in traffic and advertisers ... anyone?
Newbie advice boards always did the trick for traffic, looks like Dokk is starting a new one =)

Why not combine Oprano with Voltar's newbie board and bring him on as webmaster. There you go :bjump:

[Billy]

Originally posted by Toolz@May 29 2003, 08:51 PM
Skills? I've been to your dinners, requirements should include getting Billy in the kitchen to cook up some real seafood, these Vegas restaurants don't have anything on his supposed clam bakes, sounds like a front to smoke the illegal tobacco to me.

clam bakes ????

Please I am all about the crawfish and oysters !

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 04:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:04 PM
I am totally the man for the job! Is there a number I can call you at? Give me a call and I'll tell you why I'm the right choice!

Andrew
702-400-7158
this is a bold claim...

do you mind be interviewed right here?

here is the situation...

The board you are running is slow,
you got the dirt on one of your sponsors.

would you post it and stir shit, risking to lose his business, or not?[/b][/quote]
There are always other solutions, and when all else fails, go right to the top. If they are a longtime sponsor and friend, (or not), they at least deserve to discuss the matter. If they are still causing problems, quietly drop them, but inform them in email as to why they've been dropped and explain your feelings in the situation. Honesty isn't always the easy way, but it's the BESt way, and who's to say that person isn't going to wake up and smell the coffee later? Don't burn bridges in business.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Ironhorse+May 29 2003, 08:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ironhorse @ May 29 2003, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@May 29 2003, 09:15 PM
I've yet to see an applicant volunteer information on how they would bring in traffic and advertisers ... anyone?
Newbie advice boards always did the trick for traffic, looks like Dokk is starting a new one =)

[/b][/quote]
...or he might be taking charge of an old one eh?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by cj@May 29 2003, 10:15 PM
I've yet to see an applicant volunteer information on how they would bring in traffic

Well, lessee...

I would probably go over to GFY and make up a new poisonality... and I would go in and chum up with the GFY regs for a day or so...

Then I would publicly call Serge out on GFY......

Then, of course, being a proud member of Oprano I would have to come back here under my own identity and post a thread to the GFY thread, pointing it out to Serge (in 5 words or less)....

Then I would go back to GFY and wait for serge... boasting all kinds of shit... Getting the natives restless.... While waiting for the mad russian to show up, I would post links to the thread or drop it in discussion on as many boards as possible.... Once Serge showed up, I would fight for a bit on GFY and crosspost onto Oprano as both myself and as my GFY personality..... Thereby getting the Oprano natives stirred up.....
I would slowly move the discussion more and more onto Oprano's home court then once things were stirred enough to have traffic flowing, my GFY personality would find an excuse to disappear for a bit.....

Whenever the board slows down... repeat formula across different boards using different variations... Intellectual flame wars with various Oprano members... Knock down drag out wars with various Oprano members... Whatever , you couldn't let them know what you were doiing though .lololol.. :)

Or just have a lot of contests :)


:yowsa:



Last edited by sarettah at May 29 2003, 11:49 PM

[sarettah]

Or a webmaster affiliate program where we pay the webmasters in Oprano stock, 50,000 shares for each new member they refer :)

[cj]

sarettah, i feel you are not taking this situation seriously ... you are making a mockery of a serious webmaster position with a professional, conservative company. What you are suggesting would require opranauts to lower themselves to the standard of GFY webmasters, and as we all know, we are so much more mature than them. This industry has nothing to do with board games & childish teasing, we are professional business people who handle business situations with class & maturity. I think you should go to your room & think about your behaviour for the evening.

:nyanya: :lol:

[Ironhorse]

Bottom line is Oprano could benefit from adding value to the board. You need to ask only one question:

Why would new people come to this board? Getting side-winded by diehard right wing battallions only goes so far for entertainment value. Any veterans in this business know Serge or MikeAi so if they haven't made it to the board yet, chances are they will not any time soon. Although you can work to improve on that too!

That leaves new blood, and there is little on this board for newbies. So if that's the audience you're after, resources is the best bet. You can always do something new and fun. Offer freebies, templates, helpfiles, tshirts, stickers, prizes, all those cheesy little gimmicks that work. Alot more folks are joining the porn game because it's the best game in town. All the diggers want new pots, pans, blue jeans, they want them now, cheap, free as always.

Also boardwhores as separate enities/employees help tremendously. There are quite a few in this thread alone. The agents, the minions, the armies of Opranoids are waiting to hatch. The budget allows for 1 ubermaster or 2, stretch at 3, (performance bonuses not included) fresh Opranoids to bring the flock back home.

Listen to the pulse. Oh! And I'm a great cook too!



Last edited by Ironhorse at May 30 2003, 03:43 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Toolz@May 29 2003, 08:51 PM
Sponsor, schmonsor,

We all know the 7% drop is due to Serge's loss on the market this week, only way to make up for it is begin stealing trash from offices of S&P 500 firms and give Gecko, I mean Serge a good stock tip.

Skills? I've been to your dinners, requirements should include getting Billy in the kitchen to cook up some real seafood, these Vegas restaurants don't have anything on his supposed clam bakes, sounds like a front to smoke the illegal tobacco to me.

How do you get people to read the board? Send the 80% of the population who didn't pass 8th grade English back to class to pass high school equivalency tests.

See you don't need Mutt, all your answers are right in front of you.
Toolz,
do you have any idea in $$ terms what 7% loss in stock market woulkd be for me?

do you really see me losing 7% of my net worth in a week???

Shawn,
leave him,
he is a loser!
;-))))

[Winetalk.com]

That leaves new blood, and there is little on this board for newbies. So if that's the audience you're after, resources is the best bet. You can always do something new and fun. Offer freebies, templates, helpfiles, tshirts, stickers, prizes, all those cheesy little gimmicks that work. Alot more folks are joining the porn game because it's the best game in town. All the diggers want new pots, pans, blue jeans, they want them now, cheap, free as always.
****************************

yeah, but all this shlock has no traffic to sell...so why bother with them?

[el pres]

Although there are a lot of resources/industry news sites around, they all work the same way.
They wait for someone to contact them and give them the info that they post, but by going out and actively seeking links, you can quickly become the best source of industry information.

Maybe consider allowing webmaster interaction on the resources links,
if people have got something to say about a certain program listed in your resources,
be it good, bad or indifferent, give them the means of doing so.

Try to become the place that people check before they use a certain service,
or sign up with an affiliate program.

This should bring in all types of webmaster traffic, from newbies right through to the veterans,
once you have the traffic, you can then approach new advertisers with the facts in hand.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:21 PM
Did we lose a major sponsor or a combination of smaller ones?
Are the number of posts on the board down, the same or more?
All businesses require a constant stream of activity. Feeding existing relationships and projects and constantly harvesting new ones.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+May 30 2003, 05:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ May 30 2003, 05:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:21 PM
Did we lose a major sponsor or a combination of smaller ones?
Are the number of posts on the board down, the same or more?
All businesses require a constant stream of activity. Feeding existing relationships and projects and constantly harvesting new ones.[/b][/quote]
all true,
and Oprano feeds it';s existing relations by giving sponsors access to the BEST traffic sources who are just a little shy to post on the boards about HOW they get the traffic
;-)))

[Dianna Vesta]

As Serge stated there are all type of webmaster traffic. Unfortunately a good percentage that isn’t worth the time of day.

Established /full time– actually making money on adult internet.

Entrepreneur/ Part time – Just another investment

Dreamer/Part time – dreams of being a porn lord. Has some AVS sites, throws up
TPG’s and is always looking for a good free deal.

Beer Bitch/Part time – Is happy making enough for beer money.

I believe a successful board has something for all the groups above. In adult internet it’s all about traffic and signups. A 1000 part timers will easily fill in gaps. That and most established webmasters run their own programs, promoting their own sites.

Every board out there offers a newbie section with articles. Netpond is now soliciting new articles in the forum. The articles in that area are old. The education and resource area, if you’re going have one, should be engaging in a constant tempo. One that provides information and interaction. If I go to a board, I’ll print a few articles and I’m gone unless something really interests me. When I see the same people posting over and over, 50 or more fucking times a day, one and two liner post (because they want a prize or money to post) I’m not wasting that much of my time there. Successful networks engage and deploy a plan. After all isn’t that the trick? Teach them all that you can so they can do that for you or the network you support?

I think that Oprano needs useful tools, perhaps scripts for webmasters. These would need constant updating and promoting. Interesting articles about business is something I really enjoy. A good newsletter is definitely in order but it needs to be clever to make a webmaster want to READ it instead of hitting the delete button. Creating good free scripts with java banner rotation throughout keep the webmasters mindful. Coming up with the right scripts is the key.

I’ve learned a lot on Oprano. I consider myself a pretty savvy business woman who needed to sharpen my edge. After a few months on the boards, especially this one, I was able to lay some tracks. It brought focus to all the things I wanted to do, thought about doing and new projects to consider.

I’d personal like to see good moderators here. Not moderators that introduce a lot of stupid topics- “What did you eat for breakfast?” – I mean it’s ok to be lighthearted but when you see this stupid shit all the time it gets annoying. That’s why I only pop by GFY for a few minutes a day, keep my presence on the boards, make a post or two & leave. I’m just not interested in reading or interacting.

Something that would be interesting on a board, a lot of work but worth it, would be a webmasters community of sorts where webmasters could learn & interact with others publishing the same content or promoting like products. Kinda like what I want to do with Niche Cartel- a site that focused on niche content, resources, extensive information, tools to teach webmasters better ways to promote niches. If you promote niches you want to know who your surfer is and how you can better serve them. A webmaster community taps into several major areas- niche, amateur, products (pills, toys, 900).

Damn, sorry for this long ass post. My brain isn’t even awake! I need more coffee.

Oh Serge, I just got the cutest damn billy goat. He’s handsome, runs around like crazy getting up in the pigs asses. You gotta watch this goat because when you turn your back, playfully he’ll ram you in the butt. I was thinking of a name and I think I’ll call him Serge. I’ll take some pictures.

[Winetalk.com]

Oh Serge, I just got the cutest damn billy goat. He’s handsome, runs around like crazy getting up in the pigs asses. You gotta watch this goat because when you turn your back, playfully he’ll ram you in the butt. I was thinking of a name and I think I’ll call him Serge. I’ll take some pictures.
************************************************** *********


does he need a god father??

I can christen him all right!
;_))) :okthumb:

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 30 2003, 07:07 AM
Oh Serge, I just got the cutest damn billy goat. He’s handsome, runs around like crazy getting up in the pigs asses. You gotta watch this goat because when you turn your back, playfully he’ll ram you in the butt. I was thinking of a name and I think I’ll call him Serge. I’ll take some pictures.
************************************************** *********


does he need a god father??

I can christen him all right!
;_))) :okthumb:
You're a nasty nasty man Serge. Maybe that's who you're so damn infamous!

[sarettah]

Originally posted by cj@May 30 2003, 02:40 AM
sarettah, i feel you are not taking this situation seriously ... you are making a mockery of a serious webmaster position with a professional, conservative company. What you are suggesting would require opranauts to lower themselves to the standard of GFY webmasters, and as we all know, we are so much more mature than them. This industry has nothing to do with board games & childish teasing, we are professional business people who handle business situations with class & maturity. I think you should go to your room & think about your behaviour for the evening.

:nyanya: :lol:
Oh YEAH !!!!!

Well..um..er...stammerstammerstammer.....

You Got Cooties !!!!

Nanny nanny boo boo...no tag backs




:nyanya:

[Broc Lee]

Ok, now that I had to sign up for this board to reply to your postings on GFY... I am here and I expect a response from you Serge.

I am interested in what have listed so far.... how much U payin?

I can be reached through either:

http://www.nbdesign.com or
http://www.blushentertainment.com

Both sites have contact forms to get in touch with me... I hardly ever keep my ICQ on so I would need to know when you would contact me and I wil turn it on.

Talk to you soon....

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Broc Lee@May 30 2003, 08:59 AM
Ok, now that I had to sign up for this board to reply to your postings on GFY... I am here and I expect a response from you Serge.

I am interested in what have listed so far.... how much U payin?

I can be reached through either:

http://www.nbdesign.com or
http://www.blushentertainment.com

Both sites have contact forms to get in touch with me... I hardly ever keep my ICQ on so I would need to know when you would contact me and I wil turn it on.

Talk to you soon....
how much am I paying?????

you haven't inspired me yet to even to consider answering this question...

at this point you are not even in the running...

[LadyMischief]

I tell you Serge, if things get as bad as you've said in this thread, I'd be forced to hunt down the guilty party and beat them senseless with rubber farm animals... On videotape, no less. Then I'd sell the tapes to make back any money I lost from them.

See? No situation is hopeless.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Broc Lee@May 30 2003, 08:59 AM
Ok, now that I had to sign up for this board to reply to your postings on GFY... I am here and I expect a response from you Serge.


I'm interested too Serge...

If you want the honor of me working for you, fly on out and talk to me.... You might have to wait for a few hours at my secretary's desk because I might be playing golf or at some verrrry important meeting at the titty bar...

But don't worry, I'm worth it :yowsa:

Um.. does the position include a limo and driver?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

(like Curly would say... The noive..... )

:yowsa:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by LadyMischief@May 30 2003, 09:26 AM
I tell you Serge, if things get as bad as you've said in this thread, I'd be forced to hunt down the guilty party and beat them senseless with rubber farm animals... On videotape, no less. Then I'd sell the tapes to make back any money I lost from them.

See? No situation is hopeless.
hmmm....some of our sponsors can beat both me and Mike with their hands tied behind the back...
;-))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by sarettah@May 30 2003, 09:28 AM


Um.. does the position include a limo and driver?

yes, but only if you are a bona fide transexual
;-)))

[Vick]

Sorry I missed out on this conversation yesterday
Being a long time friend of Oprano (as many others are) let me see if I can help out a little

You want more eyes to the site - sarettah was on track - stir shit. Don't be afraid to break eggs to make omelet. Luke Ford (even if you hate him) is always an easy target. Grab some dirt on his doings and gets him and others posting. Controversy sells

Want more posts - ask questions (like Colin does) about interesting topics. Questions require replies and thought exchanges as people have opinions are usually are willing to share their opinions

Also post interesting news articles (like Forest, Serge, MikeAI, myself and a few other do) and ask for other opinions about them and what they would do

Payment 3 weeks over due and John (where's the fucking money) is already on the case ..... act like a collection agency. call morning and evening. Find out why fees haven't been paid, what the problem is and more importantly HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM (have the sponsor send payment, take CC payment or check payment right then when you get them on the phone, if it bounces ..... cat's out of the bag) AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT COLLECT!

Revenues down 7% - WHY? What has happened to make this drop happen - make the solution and keep it simple KISS

Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it

right now it looks like the focus of this thread is on personality and growth of Oprano and maintaining the Oprano Brand (which are all important) but remember Mutt also did the sports pools (he found the software, installed it and maintained it)


Edit - get the Oprano newsletter back up and running on a regular basis, Print half the article or info in the email and link back to Oprano for the rest of the info
Also that is more ad space to sell

after the coffee kicks in maybe I'll think of a few more thing


p.s. Coffee is starting to work a little
as for new advertisers - any new program or product needs to be advertising with Oprano, this is where the movers and shakers (so to speak) of the business read. I would dare say the readers of Oprano have the highest per capita income of any Adult industry webmaster chat or resource board



Last edited by Vick at May 30 2003, 09:55 AM

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Broc Lee@May 30 2003, 08:59 AM


Both sites have contact forms to get in touch with me... I hardly ever keep my ICQ on so I would need to know when you would contact me and I wil turn it on.

Talk to you soon....
Contact forms??? Are you fucking kidding me? ROFLMAO

I'm guessing you're 20 something programmer, right? lol

Honey bunches if you're that serious about doing business and networking you'll leave your ICQ on and make yourself available to people.

>>>Talk to you soon....>>>>>


At least you're a confident little shit.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Vick@May 30 2003, 09:43 AM
Sorry I missed out on this conversation yesterday
Being a long time friend of Oprano (as many others are) let me see if I can help out a little

You want more eyes to the site - sarettah was on track - stir shit. Don't be afraid to break eggs to make omelet. Luke Ford (even if you hate him) is always an easy target. Grab some dirt on his doings and gets him and others posting.

Want more posts - ask questions (like Colin does) about interesting topics. Questions require replies and thought exchanges as people have opinions are usually are willing to share their opinions

Also post interesting news articles (like Forest, Serge, MikeAI, myself and a few other do) and ask for other opinions about them and what they would do

Payment 3 weeks over due and John (where's the fucking money) is already on the case ..... act like a collection agency. call morning and evening. Find out why fees haven't been paid, what the problem is and more importantly HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM (have the sponsor send payment, take CC payment or check payment right then when you get them on the phone, if it bounces ..... cat's out of the bag) AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT COLLECT!

Revenues down 7% - WHY? What has happened to make this drop happen - make the solution and keep it simple KISS

Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it

right now it looks like the focus of this thread is on personality and growth of Oprano and maintaining the Oprano Brand (which are all important) but remember Mutt also did the sports pools (he found the software, installed it and maintained it)


Edit - get the Oprano newletter back up and running on a regular basis, Print half the article or info in the email and link back to Oprano for ther rest of the info
Also that is more ad space to sell

after the coffee kicks in maybe I'll think of a few more thing
>>>Controversy sells>>>

To some degree but it's all about balance.



>>>>Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it>>>

Here's the thing... for Oprano or any webmaster board to be successful (this is my thinking & opinions) they need a vast market. See previous email about different types of webmasters. Newbies needs scripts & there's a HUGE ass population of closet webmaster running small sites, tpgs and avs's, that promote the sponsors that PAY Oprano to be here. Collectively they make up a huge chunk of traffic. I didn't even realize how big until I started investigating TPG’s and AVS as being an alternate traffic source.

If you’ve been here a while you’ll read between the lines and know that the traffic kings are here. A traffic trading script would be great here, especially if someone worked with the webmasters. That’s just one idea. Team up with a company that already has this tool, offer an Oprano version. Seed the script with sponsor ads. There’s all kinds of scripts these smaller or even mid-size webmasters would use.

As for the newsletter. There are very few I read. There's an art to them.

[Toolz]

Originally posted by Billy+May 29 2003, 08:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy @ May 29 2003, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Toolz@May 29 2003, 08:51 PM
Skills? I've been to your dinners, requirements should include getting Billy in the kitchen to cook up some real seafood, these Vegas restaurants don't have anything on his supposed clam bakes, sounds like a front to smoke the illegal tobacco to me.

clam bakes ????

Please I am all about the crawfish and oysters ![/b][/quote]
Sorry Billy wrong coast, what's the Crawfish and Oyster cookout called? Clambake is New England area I guess so is there a special terminology to this method of cooking?

[hibbidiji]

Alright Serge,
I've dragged my ass out of bed finally (3 month old babies can make it hard to sleep at night) and I'm ready to go.... Can you answer my last questions?
Andrew

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@May 30 2003, 07:05 AM
>>>Controversy sells>>>

To some degree but it's all about balance.



>>>>Respectfully I disagree with DV, Oprano doesn't need scripts and so on as most people here have made it in the business and already have what they need or know where to get it>>>

Here's the thing... for Oprano or any webmaster board to be successful (this is my thinking & opinions) they need a vast market. See previous email about different types of webmasters. Newbies needs scripts & there's a HUGE ass population of closet webmaster running small sites, tpgs and avs's, that promote the sponsors that PAY Oprano to be here. Collectively they make up a huge chunk of traffic. I didn't even realize how big until I started investigating TPG’s and AVS as being an alternate traffic source.

If you’ve been here a while you’ll read between the lines and know that the traffic kings are here. A traffic trading script would be great here, especially if someone worked with the webmasters. That’s just one idea. Team up with a company that already has this tool, offer an Oprano version. Seed the script with sponsor ads. There’s all kinds of scripts these smaller or even mid-size webmasters would use.

As for the newsletter. There are very few I read. There's an art to them.
I agree with you Diana...

If I want to check out some piss marketing I troll over to GFY and watch Serge fuck with them there. Brilliant way to keep getting that tag line out there in everyones face because you know they are reading it...hell its GFY! Thats what they are there for. The downside of that is do you want to have to wade thru that kind of crap over here as well? Case in point is the influx of those type of posters in this thread. I find myself more at Oprano because Im tired of reading mornic paid posts from Staff members. I mean really -- if you dont have any sites up and running what would motivate an individual to post "IMAKEBEERMONEY.COM converts like crazy?" Do they think everyone is so stupid that no one realizes they havent even had as much as a TGP running since bannerfree.com at C.O.N.D.O.M. ?


The Vast marketing angle is also plausible. Everyone is looking for automation tools -- you can outsource some here for members. My guess is that theres a deal to be struck with some coders where Oprano would get a slice of the action [Signs, Signs, Signs].

And your right ...its not so much as newbies as it is there are people out there quietly running several sites at once under a TGP or AVS umbrella and making serious bucks. A lot of people dont come into forums dick waving just to be "pimpin large." Hell look at Peaches...as far as I know she doesnt have any pay sites!

As far as revenue issues ...I think its become VERY hard to throw up a resource board and get 5K a month for an "identicon" button. Pay Site owners are looking for a ROI as opposed to vanity. However I do agree that a new program would be well served to advertise here. There are several folks here that could throw enough productive traffic at the site to make it very reasonable.

I like the newsletter idea the art of it --at least in my book -- is for me to get that email or 2 a week letting me know whats going on on the board or what I missing out on. And if your giving something away for me just showing up...thats at least good for a look.

The sports pool is a good idea becasue it wraps a lot of those ideas together. People like contests!

Foregoing all of that...the real reason I come over here, is that I can easily check in a few times a day...see if anything of note is going on in the industry, do a little networking, look at what other people are doing and get a little debate action on business related topics.

Thats why I have taken other sites off my freqently visited list.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 30 2003, 06:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 30 2003, 06:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 30 2003, 09:26 AM
I tell you Serge, if things get as bad as you've said in this thread, I'd be forced to hunt down the guilty party and beat them senseless with rubber farm animals... On videotape, no less. Then I'd sell the tapes to make back any money I lost from them.

See? No situation is hopeless.
hmmm....some of our sponsors can beat both me and Mike with their hands tied behind the back...
;-))[/b][/quote]
They haven't met me yet then, apparently.. :)


I'm vicious with vulcanized rubber, man.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@May 30 2003, 04:18 AM
You're a nasty nasty man Serge. Maybe that's who you're so damn infamous!
Oh puke. Too much ass kissing in this thread. You can have a job and keep your dignity too people.

[*KK*]

Good thing I'm not in the board business.

You want more advertisers you get more reloads and more posters.

You want more posters you allow more nonsense.

You allow more nonsense and you're figuring that mathematically speaking you will also get more posts that make sense along with the rest and that helps too.

You make advertisers pay in advance and no one ever has a late bill.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by *KK*@May 30 2003, 02:15 PM
Good thing I'm not in the board business.

You want more advertisers you get more reloads and more posters.

You want more posters you allow more nonsense.

You allow more nonsense and you're figuring that mathematically speaking you will also get more posts that make sense along with the rest and that helps too.

You make advertisers pay in advance and no one ever has a late bill.
KK, when you can start at $1 a year like Lee Iacocca started with Chrysler?
;-)))

[laura99]

Where do I sign up? :yowsa:

[hibbidiji]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 05:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 08:21 PM
Did we lose a major sponsor or a combination of smaller ones?
Are the number of posts on the board down, the same or more?
Andrew, NOW you are asking the right questions!

I am late, see you tomorrow
;-)[/b][/quote]
In order to finish up #3 what are the answers to these questions?
Andrew

[Vick]

Am thinking there is a happy medium here


My thought is (and I can be wrong) who wants the thousands of posters like someplace like GYF who aren't making serious living and just adding bullshit posts (example - would you tag this ect .... )


To give advertisers the best value and ROI you need to have an active board populated with posters from business (and the business owners or decision makers) that have financial resources and are able to make decisions than involve substantial revenue streams


Some examples - when I need design service I go to
Webinc http://www.webinc.com or
AAA Adult Design http://www.aaaadultdesign.com/
I've had work done by both and have been very happy with both companies


Why did I use them, I've seen both here (ads and posting) and knew both did quality work and could meet my expectations


Another thing that is interesting me is https://www.epassporte.com/
I see their ad here and I listen and read all that KK and Rand have to say about it. It doesn't quite fit my business plan yet (no recurrings and just beginning to get market penetration) but with a very loyal customer base like I have the minute they can recur I will consider introducing it to my paysite customers as a viable option to other CC processors

is this a little out of the general gist of the conversation ... maybe. But a lot needs to be considered and it takes a lot of personality, intelligence, drive, vision and ambition to fulfill what Oprano is looking for so I'm just kicking a little into the gumbo


Maybe I should break this down into 5 posts he he he he

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 07:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 07:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Sabby@May 29 2003, 05:15 PM
I can put one leg behind my head, tie my shoe laces with my teeth, type 80 wpm, talk on the phone, stick a dildo in my ass, and shoot easter eggs out of my cooter all at the same time...

Am I over qualified?

Sabby
Sabby,
that NOT the qualities which made mutt famous
;-)))[/b][/quote]
LOL, I was just thinking how interesting my resume is :yowsa:

You know, I been trying this board thing. On NakedSmartChicks I already ban 2 obnoxious men who piss me off!

I ban all obnoxious men on Oprano, there be nobody left here to post :nyanya:

hahaha

(Im just kidding, I really love you guys!)

Sabby

[Winetalk.com]

Sabby,
are you still married?
you sound like a "men eater" all of a sudden?

got laid lately?
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

ban....I think in entire Oprano history only one person was banned...ever, and even she was unbanned lately
;-)))

[sarettah]

She is ????

Shhhh... don't say it too loudly, she will hear you........

:blink:

[Rictor]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 29 2003, 04:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 29 2003, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:04 PM
I am totally the man for the job! Is there a number I can call you at? Give me a call and I'll tell you why I'm the right choice!

Andrew
702-400-7158
this is a bold claim...

do you mind be interviewed right here?

here is the situation...

The board you are running is slow,
you got the dirt on one of your sponsors.

would you post it and stir shit, risking to lose his business, or not?[/b][/quote]
Isn't the Serge method to post the dirt here and then run over to GFY and post a thread leading to the thread here with the dirt?

[Vick]

I'll admit I read Sabby qualifactions and was very impressed

Still waiting for Sabby to get that strap on that goes around her head so she can bend over and .... well you know :D

[hibbidiji]

Serge,
so whats with the ignoring me? Is this situation #4? "What do you do when the guy who was interviewing you is ignoring you?"
Respond so I can get to work! :)
Andrew

[sarettah]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 30 2003, 03:58 PM
Serge,
so whats with the ignoring me? Is this situation #4? "What do you do when the guy who was interviewing you is ignoring you?"
Respond so I can get to work! :)
Andrew
Andrew,
I am sorry,
was busy trading and....there is one candidate ahead of you..
Robin Nixon and multitasking is NOT one of my specialties
;-((((

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Originally posted by Rictor+May 30 2003, 03:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rictor @ May 30 2003, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 29 2003, 04:21 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--hibbidiji@May 29 2003, 07:04 PM
I am totally the man for the job! Is there a number I can call you at? Give me a call and I'll tell you why I'm the right choice!

Andrew
702-400-7158
this is a bold claim...

do you mind be interviewed right here?

here is the situation...

The board you are running is slow,
you got the dirt on one of your sponsors.

would you post it and stir shit, risking to lose his business, or not?
Isn't the Serge method to post the dirt here and then run over to GFY and post a thread leading to the thread here with the dirt?[/b][/quote]
nope..
I run to
GFY,
Netpond,
Xbiz and few other places
;_)))

[hibbidiji]

hehe
so what does it take for me to move to the front of the line? give me a call and I'll make you a believer :)
Andrew

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 30 2003, 04:14 PM
hehe
so what does it take for me to move to the front of the line? give me a call and I'll make you a believer :)
Andrew
Andrew,
besides Robin (do you know Robin? ever heard of him??
there are few VERY formidable candidates for this position.

I DO appreciate your vigor and enthusiasm,
but we have to concider all candidates,
don't ya agree?

[hibbidiji]

Absolutely.
Just so long as the position is worth a phone call. :) You might be surprised at how qualified I am
Andrew

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Originally posted by hibbidiji@May 30 2003, 04:24 PM
Absolutely.
Just so long as the position is worth a phone call. :) You might be surprised at how qualified I am
Andrew
Andrew,
if you are a lover Mike never told me about,
than that's for sure!

Otherwise,
we still have to go with due process
;-)))

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Rictor+May 30 2003, 01:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rictor @ May 30 2003, 01:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dianna Vesta@May 30 2003, 04:18 AM
You're a nasty nasty man Serge. Maybe that's who you're so damn infamous!
Oh puke. Too much ass kissing in this thread. You can have a job and keep your dignity too people.[/b][/quote]
You're an idiot who wouldn't know an ass if it reached up and ate you. Where in the bloody hell did you define that as ass kissing? lol

Besides if I wanna kiss some ass, so what??

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 30 2003, 04:21 PM
Andrew,
besides Robin (do you know Robin? ever heard of him??
there are few VERY formidable candidates for this position.

Well, that probably tells a few people something...

:)

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ASndrew, thank you for taking my call,
I enjoyed the conversation

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Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+May 30 2003, 04:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ May 30 2003, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Rictor@May 30 2003, 01:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Dianna Vesta@May 30 2003, 04:18 AM
You're a nasty nasty man Serge. Maybe that's who you're so damn infamous!
Oh puke. Too much ass kissing in this thread. You can have a job and keep your dignity too people.
You're an idiot who wouldn't know an ass if it reached up and ate you. Where in the bloody hell did you define that as ass kissing? lol

Besides if I wanna kiss some ass, so what??[/b][/quote]
DV,
I've been kissing asses since I was 14...there is NOTHING wrong with that!

(male hairy asses are another story, though,
but if you share my love of women...;-))))

[Sabby]

I am not a meneater... but I seem to like men alot more when I'm naked.

Here Sergie... I added some boobies to your board.

Sabby

[Bell]

Originally posted by cj@May 29 2003, 07:15 PM
there's tons of othr things you could do if the time and effort is
worth the potential collection $$ - sometimes the time and effort
is better spent elsewhere (Board growth and NEW business -
as opposed to tracing deadbeats... that always seem to resurface
at some point...)

You just answered your own questions ... the background checks you suggested above are a rediculous waste of resources. The customers banners could have been removed and a new sponsor found to replace them in 1/10 of the time it would take you to do all that background checking.

Especially seeing oprano plus doesn't charge much for advertising ... you just spent 3 times the cost of a month of advertising on checking up on the person ...
I'll take a loss of 1 month advertising revenue over all that extra headache anyday.

I've yet to see an applicant volunteer information on how they would bring in traffic and advertisers ... anyone?

some people sometimes want to track a person...
some people don't...
circumstances determine that...
to each their own...

they were merely questions/suggestions...

~Bell :)



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Originally posted by Sabby@May 30 2003, 04:36 PM
I am not a meneater... but I seem to like men alot more when I'm naked.

Here Sergie... I added some boobies to your board.

Sabby
Sabby,
you are a sweetheart,
show me boobs and I just melt,
ask MikeAI!
;-)))

[hibbidiji]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 30 2003, 01:34 PM
ASndrew, thank you for taking my call,
I enjoyed the conversation
Thank YOU for calling. Hope to hear back from you soon.
Andrew

[Vick]

Sabby - I'm heartbroken - you still haven't commented on the strap on head gear he he he (sorry I just can't let that visual go)


Serge - are you serious (as a hard on) about Robin Nixon?
That would get a quote from a Al Pacino movie!!

Just when .........

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Originally posted by Vick@May 30 2003, 05:11 PM
Sabby - I'm heartbroken - you still haven't commented on the strap on head gear he he he (sorry I just can't let that visual go)


Serge - are you serious (as a hard on) about Robin Nixon?
That would get a quote from a Al Pacino movie!!

Just when .........
Vick,
yes, I am...I wouldn't use his name in vain
;-)))

[ulfie]

I applied for the job. All other applications are meaningless at this point. :)

[cj]

ULFIE!!!!!!
Welcome back ;-)

[Sabby]

Alright Vick for you I will try it and take some pics... but tricks like that a little more difficult now with these big boobs in the way, LOL.

Plus Im getting old. I was at the chiropractor every day last month!

The weird things I do make me a small fortune on InterClimax! (I hope you put me in your paysites).

Sabby

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 30 2003, 11:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 30 2003, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@May 30 2003, 02:15 PM
Good thing I'm not in the board business.

You want more advertisers you get more reloads and more posters.

You want more posters you allow more nonsense.

You allow more nonsense and you're figuring that mathematically speaking you will also get more posts that make sense along with the rest and that helps too.

You make advertisers pay in advance and no one ever has a late bill.
KK, when you can start at $1 a year like Lee Iacocca started with Chrysler?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
When I decide whether I'd want my dollar at the beginning or the end of the year.

;-}}}

[gonzo]

Originally posted by *KK*+May 30 2003, 07:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ May 30 2003, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 30 2003, 11:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@May 30 2003, 02:15 PM
Good thing I'm not in the board business.

You want more advertisers you get more reloads and more posters.

You want more posters you allow more nonsense.

You allow more nonsense and you're figuring that mathematically speaking you will also get more posts that make sense along with the rest and that helps too.

You make advertisers pay in advance and no one ever has a late bill.
KK, when you can start at $1 a year like Lee Iacocca started with Chrysler?
;-)))
When I decide whether I'd want my dollar at the beginning or the end of the year.

;-}}}[/b][/quote]
Get it early in the year ...that way you can tip the strippers a years salary at Internext.

[Hell Puppy]

Robin Nixon, now there's a name I haven't heard in a while....

He's truly missed....one of the true innovators. Not all of his ideas took flight, but he definitely had the ability to think outside the box especially when it came to looking at new capabilities introduced into the browsers and figuring out how to manipulate them into ways to generate traffic.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by gonzo@May 30 2003, 08:33 PM
Get it early in the year ...that way you can tip the strippers a years salary at Internext.
Let's don't forget that when you are pre-paid, you are expected to do something. ;)

I don't code, can't install scripts, my favorite pearls come from Tahiti and I'm damn stubborn.

[Hell Puppy]

My 2 cents in general....

For sheer volume of posters, the GFY model is king. But ya know, I'd hate to see Oprano turn into that.

Boards aren't just pieces of software or information. They're communities. Communities of like minded individuals or at least groups that share a common interest. The Oprano community consists mostly of individuals who are more business oriented, have been around the block a time or two and are typically a bit older than the GFY crowd.

The GFY crowd seems to be young and mostly part timers or at best one man basement operations. There's more of them than there are old timers, always will be. The answer isn't luring more GFY users over to Oprano. That just waters down the gumbo.

However, it would be nice to help some of the people over there who might fit into the gumbo here find their way over. Same thing goes for any place on the web.

I have to confess in the past year, I have found a number of opportunities on GFY that never quite surfaced over here. This includes new content providers, scripts and even sponsor programs. That's a major missed opportunity on both sides. There are major players who read Oprano who will never wade into GFY deep enough to find those vendors.

As for solving Serge's hypothetical problems, it's interesting to see how various people approach a business problem. I've found that there are two things that will guide you thru most web business and marketing related problems. That is a good thorough analytical understanding of numbers and an understanding of human psychology and behavior.

Always always always study your data and numbers, and try to analyze and understand what makes them change both for the good and for the bad. When you identify something that impacts them in a positive manner, do it over and over. Automate and duplicate! If something impacts them negatively, get rid of it....or sell it to your competitor. :D

And always remember the key number in this business is NOT necessarily traffic....it is dollars.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@May 30 2003, 09:25 PM
The answer isn't luring more GFY users over to Oprano. That just waters down the gumbo.
If you leave a pot of gumbo on the stove too long without stirring it up well, it will scorch, leaving all the good stuff stuck on the bottom...

;)

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Originally posted by *KK*+May 30 2003, 10:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ May 30 2003, 10:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Serge_Oprano@May 30 2003, 11:26 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@May 30 2003, 02:15 PM
Good thing I'm not in the board business.

You want more advertisers you get more reloads and more posters.

You want more posters you allow more nonsense.

You allow more nonsense and you're figuring that mathematically speaking you will also get more posts that make sense along with the rest and that helps too.

You make advertisers pay in advance and no one ever has a late bill.
KK, when you can start at $1 a year like Lee Iacocca started with Chrysler?
;-)))
When I decide whether I'd want my dollar at the beginning or the end of the year.

;-}}}[/b][/quote]
you want it in the beggining....leaves you more time before you have to pay taxes
;-)))

[LadyMischief]

You can still feel free to call me, Serge :P I don't get any love... My phone hasn't rung in days :(

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Originally posted by LadyMischief@May 31 2003, 07:19 AM
You can still feel free to call me, Serge :P I don't get any love... My phone hasn't rung in days :(
jact, would you hit her for me, pal!?
;-)))

twice!!!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by *KK*+May 30 2003, 09:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ May 30 2003, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@May 30 2003, 08:33 PM
Get it early in the year ...that way you can tip the strippers a years salary at Internext.
Let's don't forget that when you are pre-paid, you are expected to do something. ;)

I don't code, can't install scripts, my favorite pearls come from Tahiti and I'm damn stubborn.[/b][/quote]
I wont tell you the 3 qualifications we always ask when interviewing...

How do you feel about a pearl necklace from Georgia?

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+May 31 2003, 04:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ May 31 2003, 04:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--LadyMischief@May 31 2003, 07:19 AM
You can still feel free to call me, Serge :P I don't get any love... My phone hasn't rung in days :(
jact, would you hit her for me, pal!?
;-)))

twice!!![/b][/quote]
Done that, came hard. NEEEEEEEEEEXT!

[*KK*]

Originally posted by gonzo@May 31 2003, 05:37 AM
I wont tell you the 3 qualifications we always ask when interviewing...

How do you feel about a pearl necklace from Georgia?
I'm not falling into that trap so easily ;)

It's only the dollar I think I'd wait on Serge. The rest of the "Chrysler package" wouldn't need to be delayed ;-}}}

[gonzo]

Originally posted by *KK*+May 31 2003, 12:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ May 31 2003, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gonzo@May 31 2003, 05:37 AM
I wont tell you the 3 qualifications we always ask when interviewing...

How do you feel about a pearl necklace from Georgia?
I'm not falling into that trap so easily ;)

It's only the dollar I think I'd wait on Serge. The rest of the "Chrysler package" wouldn't need to be delayed ;-}}}[/b][/quote]
Come on KK ---

I was just going to offer to hook you up with one at Internext.
Hell you could use it for your next Epassporte players card.
:zoinks:


Id be happy knowing I contributed.



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