Luke Ford, a racist ?

[sarettah]

http://www.setgo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3635#3635

Some luke/duc/duck quotes:

"I found Violet Blue as interesting as hell and I wasn't offended by anything she said"

Regarding Violet Blue's desire to live in a white world - that no more offends me than an Orthodox Jew wanting to live in an Orthodox Jewish community or a black person wanting to live among blacks etc... There's nothing wrong with a white person wanting to live among white people.

Why I turn it into a discussion of Judaism? Because that subjects interests me a helluva lot more than Blue's putative racism.

[Almighty Colin]

What is the argument that he is "racist"? I don't think someone not being offended by someone else's (presumably) racist comments makes one racist.

[sarettah]

Hey Colin...

"Because that subjects interests me a helluva lot more than Blue's putative racism."

Putative=supposed

The comments she made in there:

Violet "Ron Jeremy doesn't look Jewish."
Violet: "I think we should just kill the entire Middle East."
Violet: "I think they should all go back to where they belong"
Violet: "there are a lot of Mexican scum who tend to live off the government and have a bunch of babies"
Violet: "they keep buying up all the 7-11s.
Violet: "Everybody is white. It's a wonderful wonderful thing. It's clean. There aren't a lot of icky people

..Reveal her racism.... To not recognize this as racism, and instead condone it.. Which the "putative" slipped in there does.. and glossing over it as "Violet Blue's desire to live in a white world" does... reveals Luke's own prejudices... That he sees nothing wrong with the statements she made, that he does not even recognize them as being racist makes him part of the problem.
'
IMHO of course...






Last edited by sarettah at May 20 2003, 12:20 PM

[Nickatilynx]

Why even discuss him?

You only fuel his ego.

He's a legend in his own mind.

(Shit! Shit! I just added some coals myself!)

;)

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 20 2003, 12:16 PM
Why even discuss him?

You only fuel his ego.

He's a legend in his own mind.

(Shit! Shit! I just added some coals myself!)

;)
:zoinks:

I didnt even mention money...........

:yowsa:

[Almighty Colin]

I'm failing to see the logic that if B is racist but A doesn't agree that A is therefore racist.

[Nickatilynx]

Hey!!!!

I'm not all about the money.

I'm about community.

(Yeah right.Next I'll be selling rocking horse shit)

:)

[B1tch]

Find out if your really a racist... Take the test :zoinks:

http://www.sacwriters.com/quizzes/racist.htm

I passed... and by passed I mean not a racist :D

[Almighty Colin]

Racist test question.

"You identify certain kinds of music with certain races".

If I identify country as "white" am I a racist?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin@May 20 2003, 12:22 PM
I'm failing to see the logic that if B is racist but A doesn't agree that A is therefore racist.
Twisting me a little there Colin ?

B is racist, A condones B therefore A is racist....

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 20 2003, 12:22 PM
Hey!!!!

I'm not all about the money.

I'm about community.

(Yeah right.Next I'll be selling rocking horse shit)

:)
Well, at least with money, most people don't have a problem with racism...

all money is green... :)

I love green stuff :agrin:

I never understood back in the day, people refusing to do business with folks because of their race/creed/etc....

Hell, someone wants to give me money I'm gonna take it....

[B1tch]

Originally posted by Colin@May 20 2003, 09:56 AM
Racist test question.

"You identify certain kinds of music with certain races".

If I identify country as "white" am I a racist?
I wouldn't necessarily class that as racism but the ability to define music by it's genre, wouldn't you think?

I've just ate a dictionary :P

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah+May 20 2003, 12:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ May 20 2003, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@May 20 2003, 12:22 PM
I'm failing to see the logic that if B is racist but A doesn't agree that A is therefore racist.
Twisting me a little there Colin ?

B is racist, A condones B therefore A is racist....[/b][/quote]
No, I don't think so. I just don't think that someone not "condoning" someone else's alleged racist behavior makes them necessarily racist.

[deepundercover]

Originally posted by B1tch@May 20 2003, 09:34 AM
Find out if your really a racist... Take the test :zoinks:

http://www.sacwriters.com/quizzes/racist.htm

I passed... and by passed I mean not a racist :D
I took the quiz too and I am not racist.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin+May 20 2003, 01:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ May 20 2003, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -sarettah@May 20 2003, 12:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Colin@May 20 2003, 12:22 PM
I'm failing to see the logic that if B is racist but A doesn't agree that A is therefore racist.
Twisting me a little there Colin ?

B is racist, A condones B therefore A is racist....
No, I don't think so. I just don't think that someone not "condoning" someone else's alleged racist behavior makes them necessarily racist.[/b][/quote]
" I just don't think that someone not "condoning" "

Not "NOT condoning".... Condoning, pure and simple....

where are you getting the NOT from...

what am I missing.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by deepundercover+May 20 2003, 01:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (deepundercover @ May 20 2003, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--B1tch@May 20 2003, 09:34 AM
Find out if your really a racist... Take the test :zoinks:

http://www.sacwriters.com/quizzes/racist.htm

I passed... and by passed I mean not a racist :D
I took the quiz too and I am not racist.[/b][/quote]
If you take a test and are aware of what the results should be and are aware of the questions asked, you can make the results come out anyway you want....

Tests mean nothing.

What you say and what you do are what the world will measure you by.

Do I think you are a rascist ? Yesterday, I would have said no, I in fact would have added on, NO WAY !!!

Today, after our discussion on Setgo, I am no longer sure.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin@May 20 2003, 01:08 PM
No, I don't think so. I just don't think that someone not "condoning" someone else's alleged racist behavior makes them necessarily racist.
If I make a comment that is blatantly racist....

and you say, I have no problem with that comment....

You are condoning, basically agreeing by default with my comment...


I, and those that hear the conversation, can rightfully assume that you agree with my comment....

does that make more sense....

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah+May 20 2003, 01:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ May 20 2003, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@May 20 2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by -sarettah@May 20 2003, 12:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Colin@May 20 2003, 12:22 PM
I'm failing to see the logic that if B is racist but A doesn't agree that A is therefore racist.
Twisting me a little there Colin ?

B is racist, A condones B therefore A is racist....
No, I don't think so. I just don't think that someone not "condoning" someone else's alleged racist behavior makes them necessarily racist.
" I just don't think that someone not "condoning" "

Not "NOT condoning".... Condoning, pure and simple....

where are you getting the NOT from...

what am I missing.[/b][/quote]
Bend yerself back into shape there, pretzel-boy. I edited my original post and didn't erase the not. Here is the corrected version:

I just don't think that someone "condoning" someone else's alleged racist behavior makes them necessarily racist.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah@May 20 2003, 01:26 PM
If I make a comment that is blatantly racist....

and you say, I have no problem with that comment....

You are condoning, basically agreeing by default with my comment...
No comment means no comment. People have all kinds of personal reasons for doing things. There's a difference between what your feelings are and what your judgement of someone's else's feelings are. If my grandfather makes a racist remark because he's older/from a different generation or whatever and I don't call him out on it that doesn't make me a "racist", does it?

I said alleged racist behavior. Am I now racist too in your eyes?

I passed the test. Isn't that enough?

http://www.linkification.com/linked/not_racist.gif

[Almighty Colin]

From your setgo posts: I don't think racism is immoral. Moral codes are relative. There is no universal moral code.

The "chosen people" are racist by that definition. Some people may think they are superior because they are white, black, jewish, asian or whatever. I really don't care. If a black guy thinks he is superior to me because he is black, good for him. One may think they are better because of their ethnicity (Jewish/Muslim). I don't care if they are not acting upon it. Big difference. Jewish pride, black pride, asian pride. Go for it. Knock yourself out.

Are people better than giraffes or gerbils? Many in PETA think you are immoral if YOU think that. A future earth may very well believe that. Who knows? They will call that morality. I don't think there's any such thing as "better" in these questions and I really don't care if someone else does. I really have no problem with Serge thinking Russians are the best chess players. ;-)



Last edited by Colin at May 20 2003, 02:00 PM

[Forest]

Originally posted by B1tch@May 20 2003, 09:34 AM
Find out if your really a racist... Take the test :zoinks:

http://www.sacwriters.com/quizzes/racist.htm

I passed... and by passed I mean not a racist :D
it said i was color blind

no wonder i cant figure out red and white wines

[Almighty Colin]

A black person and an asian person are chosen at random from the US population and given a math test. You will be given $1 million if you can guess which of them will perform better. What do you guess?

A black guy and a white guy are chosen at random and will race 100 meters . You will be given $1 million if you can guess which of them will win the race. What do you guess?

Are you racist?



Last edited by Colin at May 20 2003, 02:14 PM

[deepundercover]

Colin, it is racist to even raise such questions.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin+May 20 2003, 01:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ May 20 2003, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--sarettah@May 20 2003, 01:26 PM
If I make a comment that is blatantly racist....

and you say, I have no problem with that comment....

You are condoning, basically agreeing by default with my comment...
No comment means no comment. People have all kinds of personal reasons for doing things. There's a difference between what your feelings are and what your judgement of someone's else's feelings are. If my grandfather makes a racist remark because he's older/from a different generation or whatever and I don't call him out on it that doesn't make me a "racist", does it?

I said alleged racist behavior. Am I now racist too in your eyes?

I passed the test. Isn't that enough?
[/b][/quote]

No comment is far different than "no Problem with that comment"

Not calling someone on a comment is not necessarilly condoning it. We all do that at times... Sometimes out of respect for the person saying it (Grandpa etc) sometimes out of a self preservation instinct....(lets see, theres 10 of them, one of me, dont think now is a good time to teach awareness..nopers)...

But having "No Problem" with a comment and stating such, does condone
the comment.....

(edited...removed image from colin's quote and fixed type on such)



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[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin@May 20 2003, 01:34 PM
Bend yerself back into shape there, pretzel-boy.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I at least had to express my appreciation on that one :)

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin@May 20 2003, 12:56 PM
Racist test question.

"You identify certain kinds of music with certain races".

If I identify country as "white" am I a racist?
Probably not, but if you decided...

"I hate all country music because it is done by white folk and I hate white folk" would...

Just because you recognize that the vast majority of country music is performed by whites does not in itself make you racist.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin@May 20 2003, 01:40 PM
I said alleged racist behavior. Am I now racist too in your eyes?

If it is "alleged" and not "fact", then no...

But if anyone looking at a statement with open eyes can see that a statement was racist... and you choose to keep your eyes closed and provide yourself with plausible deniability by labeling it as "alleged", then yes, it would.

[Vick]

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


racist
adj
1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah+May 20 2003, 02:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ May 20 2003, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@May 20 2003, 01:34 PM
Bend yerself back into shape there, pretzel-boy.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I at least had to express my appreciation on that one :)[/b][/quote]
All I want is a cookie. Deal?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by deepundercover@May 20 2003, 02:16 PM
Colin, it is racist to even raise such questions.
So said/say Herrnstein and Murray.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Colin+May 20 2003, 03:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ May 20 2003, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -sarettah@May 20 2003, 02:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Colin@May 20 2003, 01:34 PM
Bend yerself back into shape there, pretzel-boy.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I at least had to express my appreciation on that one :)
All I want is a cookie. Deal?[/b][/quote]
Okie doke....

hmmm.. tried to shove an Oreo into that slot thingie underneath the cupholder on my puter..... Lots of crumbs on the floor, but I think I got it in there, now's I just got to attach it to an email and I'll send it....


mm... Might be a while.... Not able to find the cookie in the explorer window :(

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by sarettah@May 20 2003, 03:18 PM
mm... Might be a while.... Not able to find the cookie in the explorer window :(
Tools/internet options/settings/view files

[sarettah]

went there, did that...

Oreo still doesn't show....

Tell ya what, post your mailing address and I'll send the Oreo overnight to you...




:yowsa:

[Bell]

bonanza... :yowsa:

a pretzel-boy that likes green...
and will accept money when offered...

hmmmm.....
(wicked thoughts running through my head)

I like green tooooo....
and I mean as more than just currency... (wink)

hey... anyone good with graphics... I wannnnna see pretzel-boy
get a pretzel-boy avatar... yeah... that's what I want...
and I will even not pay you to create it...



:D ~Bell


.



Last edited by Bell at May 20 2003, 04:27 PM

[sarettah]

hmmm.. how'd you like to go home and tell your mama that a pretzel boy went and whupped your ass boy.....

:yowsa:


Hi Bell. how ya doing... :agrin:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Bell@May 20 2003, 07:24 PM
I like green tooooo....
and I mean as more than just currency... (wink)




Weedies... breakfast of champions :yowsa:

(stole that one somewhere....apologies to originator for not giving credit....but I cant fucking remember who it was right now)

[pimpdog]

what a stupid thread

[cj]

Originally posted by pimpdog@May 22 2003, 02:28 AM
what a stupid thread
hey hooper junior, if ya don't like the thread, you could always
Go Fuck Yourself (http://www.GoFuckYourself.com)

[sarettah]

Originally posted by pimpdog@May 22 2003, 02:28 AM
what a stupid thread
Thanks for the input pimpdog....