Anyone still feel like protesting?

[CDSmith]

I am holding a protest rally today in my home. As far as I know, there are hundreds-of-thousands, if not millions of others around the world doing the same thing. We are protesting the fact that the Hussein regime has not given up peacefully, that Saddam and his crew of oppressionist monsters have not relinquished their choke-hold on the people of Iraq, and that his soldiers have not put down their arms and allowed the coalition to set Iraq up with a whole new way of living. This protest also includes support for what the US-led coalition is trying to accomplish over there, and the means used to achieve that goal.

There will be no blocking of traffic.

There will be no signs sporting swear words.

There will be no empty regurgitated chants or platitudes.

There will be no retards defying cops and throwing rocks.

No private or public property will be dammaged.


Why?
Simply put, because most people who support the forced removal of Saddam (IE... war) themselves are peaceful people who would love nothing more than to have all hostilities in the world cease. We are peaceful, yes, but neither are we so deluded as to think that there is nothing in the world worth fighting against to preserve peace.

Peace is not always the best answer when faced with tyranny, but it is always the ultimate goal.

Won't you join me in this peaceful yet worthy protest?

This protest will continue until that goal has been reached, after which there will follow a short yet intense celebration.

Thank you.

[Mike AI]

:rokk:

[Phoenix66]

Serge, why the hell you posted a link to this topic on Crutop? To show russians how civilized protests must be done or to show that some americans who support war are peaceful? Or you are offering to join a protest? Or just spamming as usually? :D

Anyway, this whole "protest" thing looks rather some joke to me... CDSmith - if you are serious with this, why do not try to do something more essential, than avoiding damaging of private or public property? :D

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Phoenix66@Mar 29 2003, 11:37 PM
CDSmith - if you are serious with this, why do not try to do something more essential, than avoiding damaging of private or public property? :D
Like what? Walking down a street with 10-thousand drones shouting out "bush is a fag" "bush is Hitler", burning the American flag, breaking store windows, cockin' off to law enforcement people, and a hundred other foolish things?


Here's a little insight on some of the people and organizations that are paying for the costs for most of the larger war protests.........

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81314,00.html

Some of you should find that to be interesting reading.
(thank you Crow fr porncity for that link)

[sextoyking]

CD,

I totally support any protesters in this country, they have the right do it any time they want even if we don't agree with it.

Shit I hate seeing the KKK march, but hey they have that right.

just so there is no violence, let it be..

[Mike AI]

CDSmith, I do not think Phoenix66 understands your sense of humor....

I think it gets lost in the translation. :D

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by sextoyking@Mar 30 2003, 01:05 AM
CD,

I totally support any protesters in this country, they have the right do it any time they want even if we don't agree with it.

Shit I hate seeing the KKK march, but hey they have that right.

just so there is no violence, let it be..
Wait.... who said anyone didn't have the right to protest? - I certainly didn't. Fact is, our war vets have fought and sometimes died so these people can exercise their *right* to do so.

I'm just pointing out some of the foolishness of it all. By the way, did you take a moment to read that article I posted? I found it interesting that certain organizations that absolutely hate the U.S. are footing the bill for these *peach marches*.



Mike -- I do believe you're right.



Last edited by CDSmith at Mar 30 2003, 01:14 AM

[sextoyking]

CD,

yeh I read it. just like to make my points too:))

actually I never see any foolishness in any type of protesting, I think it makes our republic - country stronger :)

peace

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by sextoyking@Mar 30 2003, 01:13 AM
actually I never see any foolishness in any type of protesting, I think it makes our republic - country stronger :)
You really believe that people throwing rocks at peace officers and national guardsmen is the opposite of foolish? Busting people's car windows is smart?

Shit, I could name a few dozen things that these "unfoolish" protestors have done so far that make most people I know shake their heads in disgust.


But whatever, just as they are entitled to protest, so too are you entitled to your opinion.

[sextoyking]

CD,

did you read what I posted before :)

As I said, any non violent protesting is 100 ok dokie with me. Civil Disobediance (sp) is fine also, just no violence.

[CDSmith]

Yes, I believe your exact words were...

"actually I never see any foolishness in any type of protesting"


Gee, however did I misunderstand you!? :agrin:

[sextoyking]

Cd,

you got me, my english wasn't so clear :)))


peace

[PornoDoggy]

Gasp!!! You mean some bad people oppose the war? OHMYGAWDAMITEY!!! That must mean that EVERYONE who opposes the war are bad people, or mindless drones.

Good thing there are no organizations or institutions with their own hidden agendas who support the war.

Now I understand you completely, Torone ...

[CDSmith]

"Gasp!!! You mean some bad people oppose the war? OHMYGAWDAMITEY!!! That must mean that EVERYONE who opposes the war are bad people, or mindless drones. "

Your interpretation, not mine. I am merely attempting to point out that people on the anti-war side seem to shout that those that support the war are being manipulated and brainwashed, yet there are clearly those at work behind the scenes of the protest movement as well. That's it, that's all, and nothing more. Draw your own conclusions.

"Good thing there are no organizations or institutions with their own hidden agendas who support the war."

What exactly is it that drives you to be such a sarcastic prick lately?

"Now I understand you completely, Torone ... "

Which "Torone" reference are you attempting to attribute to me?

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Torone

Let me know.




I guess this means you aren't joining me in the above-mentioned protest?

[PornoDoggy]

My point is quite simply that there are just as many "mindless drones" who support the war as there are who oppose it. There are just as many supporters of the war who have ulterior motives, or who have something other than the interests of the United States and/or the United Nations as their foremost goal. Apparently, we are making the same point from different sides of the question. :)

I am not any more of a sarcastic prick now than I ever am. I am not less of one, either.

And it is should not be necessary to search Yahoo for a regular reader of the board to determine which Torone I am referring to.

[-= JR =-]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 31 2003, 01:26 AM
My point is quite simply that there are just as many "mindless drones" who support the war as there are who oppose it. There are just as many supporters of the war who have ulterior motives, or who have something other than the interests of the United States and/or the United Nations as their foremost goal. Apparently, we are making the same point from different sides of the question. :)

I am not any more of a sarcastic prick now than I ever am. I am not less of one, either.

And it is should not be necessary to search Yahoo for a regular reader of the board to determine which Torone I am referring to.
i think the point is that "protesting" against war and for peace that turns into fighting with cops, destroying property and virtually rioting is a little contradictory.

[PornoDoggy]

There's a lot of that going around. We're ignoring the United Nations to strengthen the United Nations, and we're waging war to preserve the peace.

Look - I am not defending the folks who are breaking the law in demonstrating. I'm just a little tired of the high-school pep rally mentality of a lot of people on BOTH SIDES.

[-= JR =-]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 31 2003, 03:24 AM
There's a lot of that going around. We're ignoring the United Nations to strengthen the United Nations, and we're waging war to preserve the peace.

Look - I am not defending the folks who are breaking the law in demonstrating. I'm just a little tired of the high-school pep rally mentality of a lot of people on BOTH SIDES.
i am not aware of anyone making the case that the US is ignoring the UN to strengthen the UN. the UN is nothing more than a massive humanitarian organization supported by those countries who do so only when its in their best interests.

it occured to me recently why the UN evolved into nothing more than a massive humanitarian organization - i think its because it just happens that its in every countries interest to either contribute to aiding others. above all things, its just great marketing. its something that makes everyone look good and its not an issue that can cause any serious degree of dissagreement.

the Security Council is where you see more clearly what happens when interests conflict with each other. Peace has nothing to do with anything. The Security Council in my opinion is just a waste of time. even in peace keeping operations they have failed miserably and failed to save hundreds of thousands who have been slaughtered needlessly as they either withdrew peacekeepers or failed to react entirely. Srebrenica was a great example of a "UN Safe Zone" at work. Rowanda provided many horrific examples as well.

I would say PD that "the high school pep rally mentallity" is a great way to characterize peoples behavior who are outspoken on any side. just taking a side and either waving a flag or parading up and down the street with pictures of dead babies is much easier than carefully weighing amazingly complex and complicated issues within their proper historical, cultural, regional, religous, and global/domestic context. its becomes to complicated that in the end, there can be nothing more than "belief" anyway. in the end, some of these questions are just so complex that a decision has to be made at some point and a side has to be taken or a person just has to form a black and white opinion to simplify it all for thier own sanity. this even happens in the strictest of sciences. even advanced mathematics progresses to the point of quasi-philosophy.

i personally believe that many arguments, fears, concerns that are both "for and against" attacking Iraq are equally strong.

but i believe as well that history, as usual, will be the final judge of who was "right and wrong". whether we all want to accept it or not, "right or wrong" cannot be stated as fact - before the outcome has been realized. until that time, its just assumption.

I was taking that political test that colin posted and it occured to me that someone with a truly balanced perspective on any issue, could not by definition "strongly agree" or "strongly dissagree" on anything. we only feel that way because we as humans can convince ourselves that we are 100% correct and others are 100% wrong. that will probably never change. people are deeply flawed by design and doomed to conflict.

in the end, their can only be the surviviors and the defeated. that has not changed in 15,000 years. it will probably not change in the next 15,000 years.