Riddle Me This Peaceniks?

[Mutt]

Can you imagine YOUR government ever taking its citizens
and using them as human shields, to knowingly put YOU and your CHILDREN in the way of a cruise missile to hang onto its power? NO NO NO! You cannot.

And if that isn't reason enough to support the takedown of a man capable of doing that to his own people then............

I listened to countless protesters yesterday all across America give their reasons - my god, 90% of them just parroted something they had read in the newspaper or heard on TV, they have not thought this through at all. The least they could do if they are going to take a stand is become informed.

This could be Hitler and it wouldn't matter to these morons. Too much fun playing hippy and calling the President a murderer and a moron. Let's bury our heads in the sand some more.

Rumsfeld said it right, 9/11 didn't happen after some provocation by the United States, attacks like 9/11 happened because these fucking dirtbags smelled weakness. So stop worrying about more terrorist attacks coming out of this war, THOSE ATTACKS ARE COMING NO MATTER HOW MANY PEACE SONGS YOU SING, NO MATTER HOW MANY PEACE MARCHES YOU PARADE IN - GET IT THROUGH YOUR SOFT MUSHY HEADS, THESE FUCKERS HATE YOU AND YOUR WAY OF LIFE!!!

I guess it will take a nuclear power plant, like the one according to reports they have targeted in Phoenix, being bombed before some people get it. But ya know, they still won't, the U.S. provoked that too they will cry, we deserved that, it's Bush the idiot's fault.

This ain't Vietnam, this ain't 1967, get a fucking clue!!!

just ranting
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Last edited by Mutt at Mar 23 2003, 11:14 AM

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mutt,
I wouldn't say it better myself...

[Mike AI]

You are right Mutt....

Too many people just want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend their are not threats in the world against us that we cannot control.

These polyanas are defeatists.... and should be ingored or vigerously humilitated for their ignorance on life.

[originalheather]

I was going to add a few things to Mutt's post, but why? He said it so succintly. Amen, Mutt.

[Mike AI]

I was a naive fool to be a human shield for Saddam
By Daniel Pepper
(Filed: 23/03/2003)
I wanted to join the human shields in Baghdad because it was direct action
which had a chance of bringing the anti-war movement to the forefront of
world attention. It was inspiring: the human shield volunteers were making a
sacrifice for their political views - much more of a personal investment than
going to a demonstration in Washington or London. It was simple - you get on
the bus and you represent yourself.So that is exactly what I did on the
morning of Saturday, January 25. I am a 23-year-old Jewish-American
photographer living in Islington, north London. I had travelled in the Middle
East before: as a student, I went to the Palestinian West Bank during the
intifada. I also went to Afghanistan as a photographer for Newsweek.The human
shields appealed to my anti-war stance, but by the time I had left Baghdad
five weeks later my views had changed drastically. I wouldn't say that I was
exactly pro-war - no, I am ambivalent - but I have a strong desire to see
Saddam removed.We on the bus felt that we were sympathetic to the views of
the Iraqi civilians, even though we didn't actually know any. The group was
less interested in standing up for their rights than protesting against the
US and UK governments.I was shocked when I first met a pro-war Iraqi in
Baghdad - a taxi driver taking me back to my hotel late at night. I explained
that I was American and said, as we shields always did, "Bush bad, war bad,
Iraq good". He looked at me with an expression of incredulity.As he realised
I was serious, he slowed down and started to speak in broken English about
the evils of Saddam's regime. Until then I had only heard the President
spoken of with respect, but now this guy was telling me how all of Iraq's oil
money went into Saddam's pocket and that if you opposed him politically he
would kill your whole family.It scared the hell out of me. First I was
thinking that maybe it was the secret police trying to trick me but later I
got the impression that he wanted me to help him escape. I felt so bad. I
told him: "Listen, I am just a schmuck from the United States, I am not with
the UN, I'm not with the CIA - I just can't help you."Of course I had read
reports that Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein, but this was the real thing.
Someone had explained it to me face to face. I told a few journalists who I
knew. They said that this sort of thing often happened - spontaneous,
emotional, and secretive outbursts imploring visitors to free them from
Saddam's tyrannical Iraq.I became increasingly concerned about the way the
Iraqi regime was restricting the movement of the shields, so a few days later
I left Baghdad for Jordan by taxi with five others. Once over the border we
felt comfortable enough to ask our driver what he felt about the regime and
the threat of an aerial bombardment."Don't you listen to Powell on Voice of
America radio?" he said. "Of course the Americans don't want to bomb
civilians. They want to bomb government and Saddam's palaces. We want America
to bomb Saddam."We just sat, listening, our mouths open wide. Jake, one of
the others, just kept saying, "Oh my God" as the driver described the horrors
of the regime. Jake was so shocked at how naive he had been. We all were. It
hadn't occurred to anyone that the Iraqis might actually be pro-war.The
driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He
seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such
enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises.
Certainly more faith than any of us had.Perhaps the most crushing thing we
learned was that most ordinary Iraqis thought Saddam Hussein had paid us to
come to protest in Iraq. Although we explained that this was categorically
not the case, I don't think he believed us. Later he asked me: "Really, how
much did Saddam pay you to come?" It hit me on visceral and emotional levels:
this was a real portrayal of Iraq life. After the first conversation, I
completely rethought my view of the Iraqi situation. My understanding changed
on intellectual, emotional, psychological levels. I remembered the experience
of seeing Saddam's egomaniacal portraits everywhere for the past two weeks
and tried to place myself in the shoes of someone who had been subjected to
seeing them every day for the last 20 or so years.Last Thursday night I went
to photograph the anti-war rally in Parliament Square. Thousands of people
were shouting "No war" but without thinking about the implications for
Iraqis. Some of them were drinking, dancing to Samba music and sparring with
the police. It was as if the protesters were talking about a different
country where the ruling government is perfectly acceptable. It really upset
me.Anyone with half a brain must see that Saddam has to be taken out. It is
extraordinarily ironic that the anti-war protesters are marching to defend a
government which stops its people exercising that freedom.

[JR]

i totally agree with you too mutt.

i was watching Newt Gingrich on Hard Talk on BBC a couple weeks ago and he made a good point (whether people like him or not) that "popular opinion" has almost never been right when it comes to armed conflicts and war. I think that Bush, Blair and others are doing the right thing to not be deterred by morons in the streets attacking police officers claiming they want peace.

these people protesting weren't too concerned when it was just people getting boiled in acid and babies getting their eyes cut out with a knife so the mother would talk. they weren't really concerned about 13.5% infant mortality rates for children under 5 in Iraq... not concerned about entire towns getting gassed leaving the streets littered with the dead bodies of babies, children, mothers, fathers etc.

when it comes to finally getting off our stupid and pathetic asses and doing something about it... we have to stop it immediately.

its a sort of short sighted insanity that completely boggles the mind.

people dont give a fuck until its too late... and THEN when its too late... they only care that you dont do anything about it.

[SykkBoy]

So, the peaceniks parroting what they hear is worse than Limbaugh's ditthoeads parroting everthing he spews out of his fat, pumpkin head?

I'd say both sides have the same number of sheep. parrots and idiots

I think anyone who follows anything blindly, right, left, in between, is an idiot...

While there are more the enough idiots getting microphone time at these peace rallies, there are people are generally concerned.about their country and won't acccept everything that is told to them by their government. My father marched alongside Ron Kovic and is very proud of it. It wasn't because he hated his country, he just disagreed with some of it's policies. That is the essence of what this country was founded upon. We can disagree with our leaders without fear of reprisal...well, maybe not now...

I find it funny how many people want to use their right to free speech to squelch the free speech of others....whether or not that free speech is moronic or not.

It's tough for me having to support the very speech I find offensive (anyone saying "god bless you" afterI sneeze makes me want to hurl) but I know it's essential that EVERYONE'S free speech is protected as well as their right to peacefully assemble (whether or not I agree with the cause is beside the point). When that assembly is no longer peaceful, then of course that's where the right to assemble ends.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Mar 23 2003, 02:54 PM
I'd say both sides have the same number of sheep. parrots and idiots

I think anyone who follows anything blindly, right, left, in between, is an idiot...

I find it funny how many people want to use their right to free speech to squelch the free speech of others....whether or not that free speech is moronic or not.
Now, THAT makes sense.

I will respect the opinion of anyone that understands what you just said.

Wheter I agree with it or not is a completly different ballgame.



Also, on a side note, do you know why there is a 13.5% enfant mortality rate? The economic sanctions put on Iraq by the UN.

ironic isnt it?

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Mar 23 2003, 02:54 PM
I find it funny how many people want to use their right to free speech to squelch the free speech of others....

To me, this is a Pearl.

[Evil Chris]

Yes, I agree with Dr. Guile. However, I have read it somewhere before.

[ulfie]

Iraq has a high infant mortality rate because Saddam is an evil bastard. The money for food program was a joke. He took all the money and bought more weapons with it and put the rest in his Swiss accounts. 60 Minutes had a really good story on how he was doing it a few weeks ago. I don't like the UN but the sanctions didn't cause the problem, Saddam did.

[PornoDoggy]

George: You know, this used to be a helluva good country. I can't understand what's gone wrong with it.
Billy: Huh. Man, everybody got chicken, that's what happened, man. Hey, we can't even get into like, uh, second-rate hotel, I mean, a second-rate motel. You dig? They think we're gonna cut their throat or something, man. They're scared, man.
George: Oh, they're not scared of you. They're scared of what you represent to 'em.
Billy: Hey man. All we represent to them, man, is somebody needs a haircut.
George: Oh no. What you represent to them is freedom.
Billy: What the hell's wrong with freedom, man? That's what it's all about.
George: Oh yeah, that's right, that's what it's all about, all right. But talkin' about it and bein' it - that's two different things. I mean, it's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. 'Course, don't ever tell anybody that they're not free 'cause then they're gonna get real busy killin' and maimin' to prove to you that they are. Oh yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom, but they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em.
Billy: Mmmm, well, that don't make 'em runnin' scared.
George: No, it makes 'em dangerous.