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People who suggest that they support our troops but not the war they're fighting are intellectually dishonest. Is there any other profession where you can support the people but not their goals?
"I support the carpenters, but I don't want them to build that house."
"I support the Broncos, but I want the Steelers to win."
"I support the firefighters, but I don't want them to put out that fire."
And so on...
So, if you oppose the war, especially at this point, please don't say you support out troops, because you don't, even if you can't admit it. Resisting the urge to spit on our troops isn't supporting them.
In conclusion: Let's Roll!
Forest
03-20-2003, 10:10 AM
Buff
shouldnt you be fucking errr working right now?
:D
wait till you see the cutie I got for your next trip over
Wooohooooo
:awinky:
Last edited by Forest at Mar 20 2003, 07:19 AM
I'm building reserves for a 15 woman 9 day trip.
Forest
03-20-2003, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:20 AM
I'm building reserves for a 15 woman 9 day trip.
Look out Belooowww
she's gonna BLOWWWWW
:biglaugh:
Remember, I am exmilitary -- I know how to "shock and awe"!
Forest
03-20-2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:23 AM
Remember, I am exmilitary -- I know how to "shock and awe"!
dude you mere Presence is shocking enough
:wnw:
During the last gulf war, the President wasn't sure if he could deploy me to Saudi Arabia, since the Geneva Convention clearly has me listed as a weapon of mass destruction. And boy did that turn out to be true when I got over there.
Hey, Forest, can you get me some Ultimate Orange with extra ephedra?
Forest
03-20-2003, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:28 AM
Hey, Forest, can you get me some Ultimate Orange with extra ephedra?
dude your scarring me
do atkins I am
:okthumb:
Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:12 AM
People who suggest that they support our troops but not the war they're fighting are intellectually dishonest. Is there any other profession where you can support the people but not their goals?
Let me be the first to call bullshit on this line of thinking.
"I support the carpenters, but I don't want them to build that house."
I support the carpenters, but the general contractor's way of doing things is not cost-effective. Not to mention he's an asshole. Good thing I have faith in the experience and talent of the carpenters.
"I support the Broncos, but I want the Steelers to win."
Kind of a stupid analogy, really. No one wants the other side to win. But I'll go with it. I support the Broncos, but their coach's game plan sucks. All the team can do is play their best.
"I support the firefighters, but I don't want them to put out that fire."
I support the firefighters, but I'd like to know why their Captain felt it was necessary to ring the house with kerosene. Again, I'm glad I can trust the firefighters themselves to do the best they can with what they've got.
So, if you oppose the war, especially at this point, please don't say you support out troops, because you don't, even if you can't admit it. Resisting the urge to spit on our troops isn't supporting them.
Some of us actually have the intellectual capacity to understand that the troops are carrying out their DUTY, and as such we can fully support THEM, even though we might disagree with the dickhead giving the orders, and his reasons for doing so.
I see no conflict whatsoever in opposing the way this was done, and the reasoning behind it, while still hoping and praying that the military personnel carrying out their orders will come home quickly and ALIVE. My argument is not with the people in the line of fire, it's with the ones who are safely ensconced several thousand miles away whose reasons and justification remain suspect in my own mind.
And I'm not altogether sure I'm a "Liberal" as most people seem to define it. Unless of course that definition is, "someone who doesn't agree with Buff."
Last edited by Rox at Mar 20 2003, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:28 AM
Hey, Forest, can you get me some Ultimate Orange with extra ephedra?
Jesus Christ, Buff... you survived military service in the Gulf War. It would be tragic to lose one of America's finest to an overdose of herbal speed! Don't do it!
PornoDoggy
03-20-2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Rox@Mar 20 2003, 11:10 AM
Some of us actually have the intellectual capacity to understand that the troops are carrying out their DUTY, and as such we can fully support THEM, even though we might disagree with the dickhead giving the orders, and his reasons for doing so.
I see no conflict whatsoever in opposing the way this was done, and the reasoning behind it, while still hoping and praying that the military personnel carrying out their orders will come home quickly and ALIVE. My argument is not with the people in the line of fire, it's with the ones who are safely ensconced several thousand miles away whose reasons and justification remain suspect in my own mind.
And I'm not altogether sure I'm a "Liberal" as most people seem to define it. Unless of course that definition is, "someone who doesn't agree with Buff."
Rox, Rox, Rox ... there you go thinking the world is not black and white. You are trying to bring in shades of gray, and that's just too complicated for some folks.
I happen to support the war - I think Saddam was as likely to disarm peacefully as Hitler was to sit and spin on Neville Chamberlain's umbrella. That doesn't mean I'm pleased that the current Administration failed in the foreign policy objective of getting the world on board.
The simple fact is there are just as many morons who support the war as there are who oppose it.
Mike AI
03-20-2003, 11:32 AM
PD you make a good point - The Criticism that Bush sees the world in Black and White - good and bad is a valid one. I think he may not see the multi layered complex world like Clinton did, but sometimes a black and white vision helps. IN THE CASE against Saddam and terrorism I think it is a GOOD SOLID CLEAR VISION that is going to help the United States win the war on terrorism in the long term.
Its easy to debate the complexities of the world and get so caught up in the nuances that one is paralyzed to act. ( Something I think Clinton had a problem with) Sometimes its difficult situations where black/white cannot be applied. But when it comes to OUR National Security, and evil dictators like Saddam - Black and White - Good/Evil is effective!
T-Rav
03-20-2003, 11:34 AM
I have managed to stay out of most discussions about the war, but this one was very difficult to keep my mouth shut. Rox beat me to this one...I would have loved to be the first one to call bullshit on Buff's line of reasoning...if you can call it that. :awinky:
I believe that I do support this war. At least I am willing to trust the fact that our leaders are doing what is best for our country.
I also believe that there are people out there who disagree with it for whatever reason. Those reason's are their own. That does NOT exclude them from supporting our troops if they so choose.
I think Buff's analogies were horrible and made no sense whatsoever. Shit, now I don't even know why I bothered responding to this tripe. I guess I wanted to express my disgust with the idea that someone can't support our men and women going to war, but not supporting the war itself...total horse shit.
My two cents...now come and get your change :agrin:
i was going to say as well, that supporting the troops and opposing the war are two different things entirely. the troops did not initiate the war. they they did not decide themselves to go outside of the authority of the UN, against the will of the international community, or had the gall to defy France.
they are just there to fight and have no say in that. why would someone not wish them well even if they oppose the war?
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 20 2003, 08:33 AM
I happen to support the war - I think Saddam was as likely to disarm peacefully as Hitler was to sit and spin on Neville Chamberlain's umbrella. That doesn't mean I'm pleased that the current Administration failed in the foreign policy objective of getting the world on board.
PD, thanks for that post. I admit that I'm not the most politically savvy person, and perhaps what you said comes a little closer to what I feel, but am not doing a very good job of expressing.
Saddam's gotta go, that's for sure. We should have taken him out long ago. Maybe it's just our foreign policy and the way we're represented that sticks in my craw.
Part of the problem, for me, is that I don't believe we'll ever understand, or "fix" the problems in the Middle East by what amounts to telling them over and over again, "Do it our way; our way's better." The Arabs are still basicly warring tribes whose government is inextricably entangled with their religion. I just see us insulting them and their way of life every time we stick our nose in, that's all.
TheEnforcer
03-20-2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Rox+Mar 20 2003, 11:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rox @ Mar 20 2003, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Buff@Mar 20 2003, 07:12 AM
People who suggest that they support our troops but not the war they're fighting are intellectually dishonest. Is there any other profession where you can support the people but not their goals?
Let me be the first to call bullshit on this line of thinking.
"I support the carpenters, but I don't want them to build that house."
I support the carpenters, but the general contractor's way of doing things is not cost-effective. Not to mention he's an asshole. Good thing I have faith in the experience and talent of the carpenters.
"I support the Broncos, but I want the Steelers to win."
Kind of a stupid analogy, really. No one wants the other side to win. But I'll go with it. I support the Broncos, but their coach's game plan sucks. All the team can do is play their best.
"I support the firefighters, but I don't want them to put out that fire."
I support the firefighters, but I'd like to know why their Captain felt it was necessary to ring the house with kerosene. Again, I'm glad I can trust the firefighters themselves to do the best they can with what they've got.
So, if you oppose the war, especially at this point, please don't say you support out troops, because you don't, even if you can't admit it. Resisting the urge to spit on our troops isn't supporting them.
Some of us actually have the intellectual capacity to understand that the troops are carrying out their DUTY, and as such we can fully support THEM, even though we might disagree with the dickhead giving the orders, and his reasons for doing so.
I see no conflict whatsoever in opposing the way this was done, and the reasoning behind it, while still hoping and praying that the military personnel carrying out their orders will come home quickly and ALIVE. My argument is not with the people in the line of fire, it's with the ones who are safely ensconced several thousand miles away whose reasons and justification remain suspect in my own mind.
And I'm not altogether sure I'm a "Liberal" as most people seem to define it. Unless of course that definition is, "someone who doesn't agree with Buff."[/b][/quote]
I fully support the war si I disagree with ya there but I also fully agree with you that you can support the troops even if you disagree with the war.
Well luckily this is America and everyone is entitled to their own opinion... though I'm sure alot of opinions surprise others...
Was in the airport in LA yesterday afternoon getting ready to come home and this magazine cover caught my eye... the line above the brand name...
http://razormagazine.com/
Anthony
03-20-2003, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Mar 20 2003, 10:34 AM
Well luckily this is America and everyone is entitled to their own opinion... though I'm sure alot of opinions surprise others...
Was in the airport in LA yesterday afternoon getting ready to come home and this magazine cover caught my eye... the line above the brand name...
http://razormagazine.com/
Interesting reading of the snippet KK.
Very interesting...
Mike AI
03-20-2003, 05:31 PM
RB going soft in his old age?
Buff, you should stick to what your good at ... mouth shut, dick hard.
:okthumb:
run along now!
Mike AI
03-20-2003, 07:40 PM
Buff, you should stick to what your good at ... mouth shut, dick hard.
run along now!
HAHA I think you just turned Buff on!!
CJ no matter what, we may disagree politically - but you know I still love you! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by cj@Mar 20 2003, 06:34 PM
Buff, you should stick to what your good at ... mouth shut, dick hard.
:okthumb:
run along now!
Oooh....
I'm also good at English grammar; for instance, I know the difference between "you're" and "your" and can apply each properly in a sentence.
Originally posted by cj@Mar 20 2003, 04:34 PM
Buff, you should stick to what your good at ... mouth shut, dick hard.
:okthumb:
run along now!
Hey now that depends on what he's doing with his mouth ;)
Mike AI
03-20-2003, 07:57 PM
Hey now that depends on what he's doing with his mouth
Ladies, I will be handling all of Buff's booking at all future shows... :D
Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 20 2003, 07:48 PM
Buff, you should stick to what your good at ... mouth shut, dick hard.
run along now!
HAHA I think you just turned Buff on!!
CJ no matter what, we may disagree politically - but you know I still love you! :rolleyes:
and i'm sure you know by now the feeling is not mutual
:D
Originally posted by Buff+Mar 20 2003, 07:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Mar 20 2003, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cj@Mar 20 2003, 06:34 PM
Buff, you should stick to what your good at ... mouth shut, dick hard.
:okthumb:
run along now!
Oooh....
I'm also good at English grammar; for instance, I know the difference between "you're" and "your" and can apply each properly in a sentence.[/b][/quote]
in the time that took you to point that out you could have done something productive with your life ...
like take your clothes off for money
so like i said, run along to what YOU'RE best at!!
:okthumb:
in the time that took you to point that out you could have done something productive with your life ...
like take your clothes off for money
so like i said, run along to what YOU'RE best at!!
I did something more important: I educated a halfwit, albeit in something rather minor. Also, I would be flattered that you want me to stay naked if you weren't so ugly. In fact, the only thing you have going for you is an obvious oral fetish, but I don't think it's possible for me to get drunk enough to want to take advantage of it.
Regards,
Buff
Last edited by Buff at Mar 20 2003, 10:12 PM
Billy
03-20-2003, 11:15 PM
What can I say about Buff that has not been said before : )
Buff you ever answer your ICQ ??
Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 11:11 PM
in the time that took you to point that out you could have done something productive with your life ...
like take your clothes off for money
so like i said, run along to what YOU'RE best at!!
I did something more important: I educated a halfwit, albeit in something rather minor. Also, I would be flattered that you want me to stay naked if you weren't so ugly. In fact, the only thing you have going for you is an obvious oral fetish, but I don't think it's possible for me to get drunk enough to want to take advantage of it.
Regards,
Buff
Thanks for the education, I still will however continue to be lazy and type your half the time and you're the other half so you really didn't achieve anything, except to offend me with a comment about how I look. bright one sparky!!
I saw you naked when your site was launched and I shall never return - and I think I'm one of the better judges of the quality of a naked male ;-)
You Buff, are about as sexually appealing as a brick - without lubricant.
You Buff, are about as sexually appealing as a brick - without lubricant.
No one asked you to share your sexual proclivities with us, skank. What you jam in your diseased slit is of no concern to the rest of us.
What you should do, though, is shake the twinkie crumbs out of your beard and use them to bribe the cockroaches in your snatch to gnaw down that infected smegma wall a little bit -- then you wouldn't be stuck using a brick all the time.
Hope that helps.
Buff
Oh boy, he's resorted to getting laughs from the rest of the 'boys'.
You are trying to hush me by calling me a skank and describing what my vagina might look like?!??!?!
I hope those who you are laughing with can send you as much traffic as I can .... er, could have.
enjoy your extensive vocabulary of name calling ... it should help you enormously in business ;-)
Hahaha
I didn't even know you existed before tonight, so I couldn't care less if you didn't exist tomorrow. Take your traffic, turn it sideways, and stick it straight up your cavernous anus, you insignificant peon.
You are just the talent buff, you aren't expected to understand complicated business stuff. Don't even try, you'll remove the blood from the lower region and that's where you need it most :okthumb:
You are just the talent buff, you aren't expected to understand complicated business stuff. Don't even try, you'll remove the blood from the lower region and that's where you need it most
I am ALSO the talent.
And I'm always looking to expand my horizons -- know yourself and seek self-improvement, I always say. Why don't you explain the complicated business stuff to me, CJ? Start with something simple like, oh, I dunno, maybe Austrian Business Cycle Theory.
Thanks!
Buff
Originally posted by Buff@Mar 20 2003, 09:51 PM
You are just the talent buff, you aren't expected to understand complicated business stuff. Don't even try, you'll remove the blood from the lower region and that's where you need it most
I am ALSO the talent.
And I'm always looking to expand my horizons -- know yourself and seek self-improvement, I always say. Why don't you explain the complicated business stuff to me, CJ? Start with something simple like, oh, I dunno, maybe Austrian Business Cycle Theory.
Thanks!
Buff
I'm no MBA, but here's a business tip for ya, Buff:
Don't shit where you eat.
You don’t know if the beer is bitter
’Til you buy a glass
You don't know if your peace of mind
Is just a piece of ass
And I’m sure I’ll kiss my share of frogs
Before my time is done
The world is full of bastards
And I’ve dated every one
Originally posted by Buff@Mar 21 2003, 12:51 AM
You are just the talent buff, you aren't expected to understand complicated business stuff. Don't even try, you'll remove the blood from the lower region and that's where you need it most
I am ALSO the talent.
And I'm always looking to expand my horizons -- know yourself and seek self-improvement, I always say. Why don't you explain the complicated business stuff to me, CJ? Start with something simple like, oh, I dunno, maybe Austrian Business Cycle Theory.
Thanks!
Buff
Do you? Would you like the ...
Long Version (http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=672)
or my shortened interpretation and understanding?
what are you trying to prove?
I was thinking more along the lines of business related to our adult entertainment industry ... but then I went and looked at your site and I realized ... you don't know what your doing yet ... good start though! and mike is a great contact to build you a solid future in the industry!
and he is the best person to teach you how to get by even when you are running out of toes to tread on!!
You sure do have a lot of resentment for Mike. And he doesn't even a motorbike license!
By the way, I wasn't even aware that I had a site up yet. Could you link me to it?
Mike AI
03-21-2003, 12:57 AM
CJ what site are you talking about? His site is not up, nothing is up. We just recently started shooting... Buff's site won't be up for a few months.
I stress this again, Buff is a friend - who is doing me a favor in doing this series with me. There is no success in this industry for him because he is a student going to Law School.... I am the one who owns the site, and will run it.
Buff has nothing to do with this industry but doing me a favor for a few months...
Though if he wanted to, I am sure he could do very well. This is guy who Sig says is smarter then he is. ( which for those who know Sig, is a major compliment - since Sig pretty much made and built DirectNIC. OF course he could be biased since they have been best friends since kids)
CJ, thanks for the compliment though, I hope one day to reach the heights in this industry as you have!! I will keep plugging away till I reach that goal!!
for both of you, the 'www' link at the bottom of our posts goes to the homepage we enter when we fill in our profile!!
thanks for praising him up mike, love ya *mate*
you lost my advertising dollars for life ;-)
ciao all!
Mike AI
03-21-2003, 01:04 AM
HAHAHA That is Buff's blog!!!
I hope we can make his site a little better then that. Of course I do not have your "contacts" so it might be a struggle for me, luckily I have a great staff, so all I have to do is pick up on skanks from the streets...
HAHAHAHA
Hahaha
You think Ask Buff.com (http://askbuff.com) is my adult site?
Silly girl, that's my online journal -- where some 204 people read my opinions every day about subjucts ranging from pretentious chicks who have exaggerated opinions of their self-worth to politics to economics.
I never had your advertising dollars, and I never asked for your advertising dollars. But is that a business lesson? Shoot yourself in the foot for revenge?
Hahaha. Thanks!
Anthony
03-21-2003, 01:36 AM
This is just plain fucked up.
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