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With all that's going on in the world, I can't help but look 'somewhere' for answers, and possible outcomes.
Nostradamus. What do you think? Was he a man who could see the future? Or was he so enthralled with the idea of seeing the future and other esoteric/occult things that he convinced himself he could?
http://www.udayton.edu/news/nr/122095.html
Today, there are many perceived eerie similarities to what has played out in time and the quatrains of Nostradamus, such as the identification of Napolean, Hitler, the assasinations of the Kennedy's etc etc.
His 'Third antichrist': Mabus
Could Saddam be the infamous 'Mabus' Nostradamus refers to?
http://www.crystalinks.com/mabus.html
Could Osama Bin Ladin be 'Mabus'?
http://psychicinvestigator.com/demo/Nostra2.htm (interesting the quatrain quoted here refers to 'france'....)
One of his quatrains refers to the antichrist as wearing a 'blue hat'...well neither Saddam, nor Bin Ladin wears anything similar to a blue hat.
There is still much speculation on who Nostradamus is refering to as the third antichrist...I find it rather intriguing...lol.
InsaneMidget
03-09-2003, 04:27 PM
maybe Bush is?
Anonymous
03-09-2003, 09:40 PM
I shouted out who killed the Kennedy's
When after all it was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadors
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
isn't part of that a rolling stones song?!
:P
i think nostradamus was a true prophet in his time, but we have twisted his words so much through history and translations that who really knows ...
grain 'o' salt!
RawAlex
03-09-2003, 11:49 PM
Sort of falls in the same category as horoscopes - if you say things in general enough terms, people will take the facts and bend them to match the predictions.
Alex
Carrie
03-09-2003, 11:58 PM
True, I've seen no one in a blue turban.
The first article also says this:
"Nostradamus predicted that the third anti-Christ would be born in June 1966, his interpretation of the 666 mark of the beast in the Book of Revelation."
Did some checking, came up with this:
Jiang Zemin - born 1926
Jacques Chirac - born 1932
Saddam Hussein - born 1937
George W. Bush - born 1946
Bill Clinton - born 1946
Osama Bin Laden - born 1957
It also mentions the anti-christ beginning his public life at age 30, in 1996; a charismatic leader in the middle-east.
The only person I can think of who came to be "known" around that time was Bin Laden, although he wasn't 30. (At least, Clinton *claims* to have known about him then and was "working as hard as [he] could" to shut him down.
Putting dates on things makes it so easy to shoot down, even though I think Nostradamus' "prophecies" were merely a re-interpretation of the Bible's prophecies. Take a look at the events leading up to Armageddon and you'll also find some strange similarities to what's happening today.
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 06:08 AM
Since the conversation is mixing Revelations and Nostradamus now ...
I think that there are simple enough solutions to a book like Revelations which can be understood from the point of view of the writer, rather than from our point of view.
Passages in Revelations that refer to a beast seem to be a deliberate imitation of similar passages in Daniel. Daniel is written during the Babylonian exile and his beasts were symbolism for the powerful empires and kings of his time. When one mentions "crowns", one is referring to kings.
Revelations, we are told, was written by a John who was living on the island of Patmos - quite likely after the fall of the Jewish state to the Romans in 70 AD. It seems that if John was so enamored of Daniel's symbolism he might be emulating the meaning also and not just borrowing the imagery.
The beast in Revelations, like the one in Daniel, rises out of the sea. Daniel seems consumed by the troubles of Rome throughout Revelations. He writes of a woman "decked in purple and scarlet" sitting on a "scarlet colored beast" that has ten horns and seven heads. Purple and scarlet are colors strongly associated with Rome, the Caears, and its soldiers. John writes that on her head is written the name "Babylon the great". A little later, he tells us that "The seven heads are seven mountains". (The 7 hills of Rome). He says the woman IS "the great city". Continually he refers to Babylon, referring to it as the city that rules over all the kings of the earth and mentioning it as being draped in purple and scarlet and prediciting it will fall. It is quite likely that he is using coded language for Rome. Some scholars have said that Babylon was used quite often as symbolism for Rome by Jews at the time.
Interestingly the six most used Roman numerals were I V X L D M which sum to 666.
That John would be transfixed on writing about Rome would not be surprising. Roman legions marched into Judaea in 70 AD, destroyed the temple, killing or captivating much of the population. Many others fled. Rome destroyed the Jewish homeland. [They got it back in 1948].
The wailing wall is the last remaining wall of the temple. Still standing!
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 10 2003, 12:06 AM
Take a look at the events leading up to Armageddon and you'll also find some strange similarities to what's happening today.
People have always said that. Imagine how hot the Nostradamus press was during Hitler's time.
Torone
03-10-2003, 07:23 AM
Nostradamus was surprisingly accurate. That said, though, this also needs to be said...
There are people out there who, whenever some significant event happens, create a new quatrain in his name using the known data (and a lot of imagination). These are then published as 'just-found'. They are 'internet legends'. The fact is, THERE ARE NO UNDISCOVERED WRITINGS OF NOSTRADAMUS!
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 08:13 AM
Reading Nostradamus is like reading Mad Libs of the demented Frenchman.
-- Plug into the following Mad Lib: --
The [adjective] [subject] will [time] [disaster]
When [Astrological Symbol] appears
[time], the [subject] mourns
Another [adjective] [disaster] comes [time]
-- Using --
Subject: The king, the colonel, the empire, the son, the city, the father, the chief
Astrological Predictor: The sun, venus, mars, the moon, a comet
Adjectives: great, minor, greater, greatest, powerful, weak, new, old
Disaster: fire, flood, earthquake, war, death, disaster
Time: soon, immediately, now, later
Verbs: burn, be destroyed, mourn, fall
-- Your new Nostradamus quatrain --
The Great City will soon be in fire
when the comet appears
Now, the King mourns
Another great disaster comes immediately
-- Another one --
The old King will war
when Mars appears
Later, the son mourns
Another minor war comes now
Last edited by Colin at Mar 10 2003, 08:26 AM
Fledermaus
03-10-2003, 10:12 AM
Nostradamus predicted the end of the world in the year 2000
aren't we still alive? B) though who knows maybe we are already moving torwards it :huh:
Originally posted by Torone@Mar 10 2003, 04:31 AM
Nostradamus was surprisingly accurate. That said, though, this also needs to be said...
There are people out there who, whenever some significant event happens, create a new quatrain in his name using the known data (and a lot of imagination). These are then published as 'just-found'. They are 'internet legends'. The fact is, THERE ARE NO UNDISCOVERED WRITINGS OF NOSTRADAMUS!
This is so true Torone...example:
1: "In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
And 2:
"In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
two brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb
third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
Neither of these quatrains exist:
http://www.stiller.com/wtc.htm
Originally posted by InsaneMidget@Mar 9 2003, 01:35 PM
maybe Bush is?
Nostradamus refers to the 3rd antichrist as coming from 'the east' (middle?). I think it's safe to say no past, present, or future US president is Nostradamus' 'Mabus'.
Originally posted by cj@Mar 9 2003, 08:37 PM
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
isn't part of that a rolling stones song?!
:P
i think nostradamus was a true prophet in his time, but we have twisted his words so much through history and translations that who really knows ...
grain 'o' salt!
HAHAHA,....yup...it certainly is....lol
And yes, I agree there is no doubt some meaning has been lost in translation....no matter how good the translators are....IMHO you'd have to study the quatrains in french to get their whole meanings...
Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 9 2003, 08:57 PM
Sort of falls in the same category as horoscopes - if you say things in general enough terms, people will take the facts and bend them to match the predictions.
Alex
I agree your 'average joe' can do this....but there are scholars who study Nostradamus' quatrains who do their best to uncover the meanings hopefully being as unbiased as possible....
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 9 2003, 09:06 PM
The first article also says this:
"Nostradamus predicted that the third anti-Christ would be born in June 1966, his interpretation of the 666 mark of the beast in the Book of Revelation."
Yeah...I've done some (not a huge amount) of study on Nostradamus' quatrains and read many different essays and for the life of me I don't remember him attributing exact birth dates to his 3rd antichrist...I might have to whip out my book and check into it....lol
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by gigi@Mar 10 2003, 12:36 PM
This is so true Torone...example:
1: "In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
And 2:
"In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
two brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb
third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
Neither of these quatrains exist:
http://www.stiller.com/wtc.htm
Please see my Nostradamus Libs. The formula must be out!
-- Your new Nostradamus quatrain --
The Great City will soon be in fire
when the comet appears
Now, the King mourns
Another great disaster comes immediately
-- Another one --
The old King will war
when Mars appears
Later, the son mourns
Another minor war comes now
Last edited by Colin at Mar 10 2003, 01:06 PM
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by gigi+Mar 10 2003, 12:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gigi @ Mar 10 2003, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Mar 9 2003, 09:06 PM
The first article also says this:
"Nostradamus predicted that the third anti-Christ would be born in June 1966, his interpretation of the 666 mark of the beast in the Book of Revelation."
Yeah...I've done some (not a huge amount) of study on Nostradamus' quatrains and read many different essays and for the life of me I don't remember him attributing exact birth dates to his 3rd antichrist...I might have to whip out my book and check into it....lol[/b][/quote]
I read them all when I was a kid. I agree with you and seriously doubt the 'Big N' would have made a "birthday prediction" like that.
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by gigi@Mar 10 2003, 12:52 PM
I agree your 'average joe' can do this....but there are scholars who study Nostradamus' quatrains who do their best to uncover the meanings hopefully being as unbiased as possible....
What kind of degree does one get to be considered a "Nostradamus scholar"?
Originally posted by Colin+Mar 10 2003, 03:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 10 2003, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Carrie@Mar 10 2003, 12:06 AM
Take a look at the events leading up to Armageddon and you'll also find some strange similarities to what's happening today.
People have always said that. Imagine how hot the Nostradamus press was during Hitler's time.[/b][/quote]
I agree, but I think with the dawn of the Internet it's gotten alot worse...lol.
However, I for one cannot dismiss his accuracy of describing his 'Hister' and his doings....
There are several quatrains attributed to 'Hister':
2 q24
2 q42
3 q35
3 q58
3 q60
3 q63
3 q 68
4 q40
4 q68
And several more as well....
Originally posted by Colin+Mar 10 2003, 10:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 10 2003, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gigi@Mar 10 2003, 12:52 PM
I agree your 'average joe' can do this....but there are scholars who study Nostradamus' quatrains who do their best to uncover the meanings hopefully being as unbiased as possible....
What kind of degree does one get to be considered a "Nostradamus scholar"?[/b][/quote]
hahahaha, I have no idea....lmao :P
Originally posted by Colin@Mar 10 2003, 05:21 AM
Reading Nostradamus is like reading Mad Libs of the demented Frenchman. [....]
I dunno....I don't think it is that simple....I agree that people can use a simple formula like that to mock the quatrains...but I am yet convinced that N's actual quatrains were created in this manner....
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by gigi@Mar 10 2003, 01:09 PM
There are several quatrains attributed to 'Hister':
You already know what I am going to say next.
Originally posted by Colin@Mar 10 2003, 03:16 AM
Since the conversation is mixing Revelations and Nostradamus now ...
[snip]
Passages in Revelations that refer to a beast seem to be a deliberate imitation of similar passages in Daniel. Daniel is written during the Babylonian exile and his beasts were symbolism for the powerful empires and kings of his time. When one mentions "crowns", one is referring to kings.
[snip]
You guys just HAD to bring up the revelations now didn't you? hehehe :awinky:
When you refer to passages in 'Daniel' are you referring to the Torah?
Because I have also read about the similiarities between the revelations and the 'beast' coming out of the sea, and similar passages in the Torah where several beasts rise from the sea.....
Basically, the revelations merge the beasts/animals into one, where as the passages in the Torah refer to the same beasts/animals as separate entities emerging from the sea.
IMHO there is alot in the bible that was 'borrowed' from other sources...from parts of the revelations.....to the reference to a 'lake/pit of fire' which can be seen in the Ancient Egyptians 'Book of the Dead'.....
Interesting stuff....
Originally posted by Colin+Mar 10 2003, 10:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 10 2003, 10:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gigi@Mar 10 2003, 01:09 PM
There are several quatrains attributed to 'Hister':
You already know what I am going to say next.[/b][/quote]
Errrm, no...lol....humor me!! :)
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by gigi@Mar 10 2003, 01:20 PM
I dunno....I don't think it is that simple....I agree that people can use a simple formula like that to mock the quatrains...but I am yet convinced that N's actual quatrains were created in this manner....
Wanna buy some Nostradamus refrigerator magnets?
The divine ones will be enraged
as the chosen ones are born
A new empire will be engaged
when the good ones profit from porn
Originally posted by Colin+Mar 10 2003, 10:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 10 2003, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--gigi@Mar 10 2003, 01:20 PM
I dunno....I don't think it is that simple....I agree that people can use a simple formula like that to mock the quatrains...but I am yet convinced that N's actual quatrains were created in this manner....
Wanna buy some Nostradamus refrigerator magnets?
The divine ones will be enraged
as the chosen ones are born
A new empire will be engaged
when the good ones profit from porn[/b][/quote]
Ooooo, yer even rhyming them now!! ROTFLMAO!!
That's toooo funny!! :P
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by gigi+Mar 10 2003, 01:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gigi @ Mar 10 2003, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Mar 10 2003, 10:23 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--gigi@Mar 10 2003, 01:09 PM
There are several quatrains attributed to 'Hister':
You already know what I am going to say next.
Errrm, no...lol....humor me!! :)[/b][/quote]
"Hister" is the Latin name for the Danube River. Nostradamus mixed Latin into his quatrains.
At least some of Nostradamus' passes regarding Hister clearly refer to a river.
For example,
"They are said to have come from the Rhine and from Hister" 4 68
The Rhine is a German River and so is the "Hister".
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by gigi+Mar 10 2003, 01:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gigi @ Mar 10 2003, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Mar 10 2003, 10:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--gigi@Mar 10 2003, 01:20 PM
I dunno....I don't think it is that simple....I agree that people can use a simple formula like that to mock the quatrains...but I am yet convinced that N's actual quatrains were created in this manner....
Wanna buy some Nostradamus refrigerator magnets?
The divine ones will be enraged
as the chosen ones are born
A new empire will be engaged
when the good ones profit from porn
Ooooo, yer even rhyming them now!! ROTFLMAO!!
That's toooo funny!! :P[/b][/quote]
Yeah. I missed that important detail in the originals. I needed practice.
Originally posted by Colin@Mar 10 2003, 10:41 AM
"Hister" is the Latin name for the Danube River. Nostradamus mixed Latin into his quatrains.
At least some of Nostradamus' passes regarding Hister clearly refer to a river.
For example,
"They are said to have come from the Rhine and from Hister" 4 68
The Rhine is a German River and so is the "Hister".
as far as i remember, Nostradamus wrote everything primarily in a form of "old French" and mixed other langues in with it as well... in addition to all the metaphors and symbolism.
it translated poorly into contemporary French, much less any other language.
believing in anything Nostradamus wrote is like believing in the Latoya Jackson Psychic Hotline.
Almighty Colin
03-10-2003, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by gigi+Mar 10 2003, 01:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gigi @ Mar 10 2003, 01:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Mar 10 2003, 05:21 AM
Reading Nostradamus is like reading Mad Libs of the demented Frenchman. [....]
I dunno....I don't think it is that simple....I agree that people can use a simple formula like that to mock the quatrains...but I am yet convinced that N's actual quatrains were created in this manner....[/b][/quote]
I was just kidding. I think we should take him at his word.
Late at night, Nostradamus would take a mild hallucinogen. A little later he would sit on a brass tripod with his legs spread apart at the angle of the egyptian pyramids. He would then stare into a flame with his wand in his hand and empty his mind of everything. Then the visions came.
Century VII only has 42 quatrains. The others have 100. What do you think? Answer to the Universe?
Last edited by Colin at Mar 10 2003, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Colin+Mar 10 2003, 10:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 10 2003, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -gigi@Mar 10 2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by -Colin@Mar 10 2003, 10:23 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--gigi@Mar 10 2003, 01:09 PM
There are several quatrains attributed to 'Hister':
You already know what I am going to say next.
Errrm, no...lol....humor me!! :)
"Hister" is the Latin name for the Danube River. Nostradamus mixed Latin into his quatrains.
At least some of Nostradamus' passes regarding Hister clearly refer to a river.
For example,
"They are said to have come from the Rhine and from Hister" 4 68
The Rhine is a German River and so is the "Hister".[/b][/quote]
Yup...correct....and Hitler was born in Braunau Austria, a small town
just across the Inn River which stems from the Danube....he 'came' from there.....I guess one could say not only was he referred to by name, but also by birthplace? LMAO :P
Originally posted by Colin@Mar 10 2003, 10:55 AM
Late at night, Nostradamus would take a mild hallucinogen. A little later he would sit on a brass tripod with his legs spread apart at the angle of the egyptian pyramids. He would then stare into a flame with his wand in his hand and empty his mind of everything. Then the visions came.
This is true...he would take hallucinogens and scry....not sure about the pyramids though...lol
Originally posted by Colin@Mar 10 2003, 10:55 AM
Century VII only has 42 quatrains. The others have 100. What do you think? Answer to the Universe?
Hmm, I never really thought about it...lol....
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