A Pro-us Demonstration?

[Almighty Colin]

"In Seoul, 30,000 pro-U.S. demonstrators jammed a downtown plaza Saturday to support the U.S. troop presence in South Korea and condemn North Korea as a "rabid dog" trying to arm itself with nuclear weapons.
"

[Zebra]

I am sure that North Korea will declare that the South Koreans participating in the pro-US protest were all high on drugs supplied by the Evil Americans.

[cj]

Colin, that's a freaky co-incidence that you posted that ...

I was picking up dinner earlier and there was a radio show on discussing the amount of people who were in the anti war deminstrations ...

they continually make references to how many people protested and that nobody wants a war blah blah in every media piece, and there's a bunch of polls where the options are usually totally loaded like
'do you think war is wrong'
'do you think people should die for politics'
etc

so no one can ever take the 'opposing' view point to 'anti war' because that would be 'pro war' and the only people i know who are pro war are mutt, mike & torone!

i was wondering while i was driving how the opposing viewpoint to 'anti war' could demonstrate the point in a similar way without appearing like a bunch of lunatics ... the image in my head drifted off into a movie i saw once where a bunch of pro-gun lobbyists were marching down the street with their guns and chanting gun poems and rhymes

:P

[Torone]

Originally posted by cj@Mar 1 2003, 06:38 AM
Colin, that's a freaky co-incidence that you posted that ...

I was picking up dinner earlier and there was a radio show on discussing the amount of people who were in the anti war deminstrations ...

they continually make references to how many people protested and that nobody wants a war blah blah in every media piece, and there's a bunch of polls where the options are usually totally loaded like
'do you think war is wrong'
'do you think people should die for politics'
etc

so no one can ever take the 'opposing' view point to 'anti war' because that would be 'pro war' and the only people i know who are pro war are mutt, mike & torone!

i was wondering while i was driving how the opposing viewpoint to 'anti war' could demonstrate the point in a similar way without appearing like a bunch of lunatics ... the image in my head drifted off into a movie i saw once where a bunch of pro-gun lobbyists were marching down the street with their guns and chanting gun poems and rhymes

:P
First, Let's get some things straight...
The demonstrations that claim to be 'anti-war' are actually Anti-American and Anti-Bush. If you do the research, you will find that the organizations behind them are basically Socialist/Communist (ANSWER=Communist Revolutionary Party). Further, Saddam has already admitted that the protests are his first attack on America.

I can't think of anyone who is actually 'pro-war'...but I intend to be at a 'Pro-American' rally today in Houston. Further, there will be many signs there calling on Saddam to disarm and abdicate...

We would rather NOT have to go to war; but believe logic (not me, not CNN), IT IS THE ONLY WAY!!!!

[JR]

Originally posted by Torone@Mar 1 2003, 05:33 AM

We would rather NOT have to go to war; but believe logic (not me, not CNN), IT IS THE ONLY WAY!!!!
why is war necessary?
most of the world does not seem to think so.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone@Mar 1 2003, 08:33 AM
First, Let's get some things straight...
The demonstrations that claim to be 'anti-war' are actually Anti-American and Anti-Bush. If you do the research, you will find that the organizations behind them are basically Socialist/Communist (ANSWER=Communist Revolutionary Party). Further, Saddam has already admitted that the protests are his first attack on America.

I can't think of anyone who is actually 'pro-war'...but I intend to be at a 'Pro-American' rally today in Houston. Further, there will be many signs there calling on Saddam to disarm and abdicate...

We would rather NOT have to go to war; but believe logic (not me, not CNN), IT IS THE ONLY WAY!!!!
Sigh.

One can be opposed to the idea of going to war with Saddam and not be anti-American, Torone. One can be opposed to the political policies of President Bush and still be pro-American, Torone. Being anti-Bush is not being anti-American, Torone - some would argue that it's far from it.

I'm telling you, dude, I think you'd be far more comfortable in Iraq or North Korea. They don't have to put up with the traitorous scum that question the policies of the Beloved Leader.

You better be careful ... the black U.N. stealth 'copters will be monitoring that rally ... :ph34r:

[JR]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 1 2003, 11:34 AM

Sigh.

One can be opposed to the idea of going to war with Saddam and not be anti-American, Torone. šOne can be opposed to the political policies of President Bush and still be pro-American, Torone. šBeing anti-Bush is not being anti-American, Torone - some would argue that it's far from it. š

I'm telling you, dude, I think you'd be far more comfortable in Iraq or North Korea. šThey don't have to put up with the traitorous scum that question the policies of the Beloved Leader.

You better be careful ... the black U.N. stealth 'copters will be monitoring that rally ... :ph34r:
i for one am really enjoying the irony of all of this right now.

so many people, so pissed off when the very democratic system and first amendment rights they claim are necessary to defend is working against them.

"Boycott France"
"Fuck Germany"
"UN doesn't matter"
"fucking pussy anti-war protesters"

all of them acting within the law. all acting within the framework of the UN. all expressing their opinions just as America "the worlds greatest democracy" professes that they should have the right to do. all of them acting according to the same principles that the USA claims to both embody and defend.
:rolleyes:



Last edited by JR at Mar 1 2003, 11:45 AM

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by cj@Mar 1 2003, 06:38 AM
Colin, that's a freaky co-incidence that you posted that ...

I was picking up dinner earlier and there was a radio show on discussing the amount of people who were in the anti war deminstrations ...

they continually make references to how many people protested and that nobody wants a war blah blah in every media piece, and there's a bunch of polls where the options are usually totally loaded like
'do you think war is wrong'
'do you think people should die for politics'
etc

so no one can ever take the 'opposing' view point to 'anti war' because that would be 'pro war' and the only people i know who are pro war are mutt, mike & torone!

i was wondering while i was driving how the opposing viewpoint to 'anti war' could demonstrate the point in a similar way without appearing like a bunch of lunatics ... the image in my head drifted off into a movie i saw once where a bunch of pro-gun lobbyists were marching down the street with their guns and chanting gun poems and rhymes

:P
OMG. Too funny, CJ. Just earlier today, I had this EXACT same thought. :-)

[Almighty Colin]

I can't see war as necessary at all. It's a choice. One that could be made or not made.
It may make the world better. It may make the world worse. I bet better but I really don't know.

The world, most of us agree, is better without an Iraqi-lead Saddam. There is a tremendous cost against that though.

Afghanistan, it seems to me, is going to be much better. We'll see about Iraq.

[JR]

Originally posted by Colin@Mar 1 2003, 12:17 PM
I can't see war as necessary at all. It's a choice. One that could be made or not made.
It may make the world better. It may make the world worse. I bet better but I really don't know.

The world, most of us agree, is better without an Iraqi-lead Saddam. There is a tremendous cost against that though.

Afghanistan, it seems to me, is going to be much better. We'll see about Iraq.
i am getting increasingly cynical about this whole situation.
Bush tried to make the sale and it looks like few are buying.
oh well. lifes a bitch. democracy means accepting the will of the majority. not the will of the majority as long as they agree with you. people are not saying a tougher stance should not be taken against Saddam. People are saying "why attack him right now". i think thats a valid position.

its kinda sad that a murderous dictator, hiding under a sand dune and rocks, still proves to be a better politician than the last 3 Presidents of the USA.

[Ironhorse]

It should be noted that alot of these demonstrators are not anti-Us or anti-war by default, rather I think alot of poeple see the potential for what's been prophecized as Armageddon, and that's their motivation

But this brings up a question someone raised on another board, with all these anti-Us demonstrations and during Desert Storm, did anyone protest Saddam invading Kuwait? Was it anywhere near in scale?

[cj]

Originally posted by Torone@Mar 1 2003, 08:33 AM
First, Let's get some things straight...
The demonstrations that claim to be 'anti-war' are actually Anti-American and Anti-Bush. If you do the research, you will find that the organizations behind them are basically Socialist/Communist (ANSWER=Communist Revolutionary Party). Further, Saddam has already admitted that the protests are his first attack on America.
LMAO

right ....

now lets get some other things *straight*

The protests here in australia were lead by the 'green' party ... (hippy environmentalists who protest about everything) ... you are claiming that they are backed by the communist revolutionary party?! why?!! because you don't agree with what they are trying to say?

phoey

our prime minister in australia accused the protestors of 'showing support for hussein' and 'giving his cause greater strength' ... he got met with a lot of opposition obviously .... I agree that the protests provide support to suddam's cause, but here, its just a bunch of peaceful, sometimes ignorant hippies who don't want to see people blown up with bombs. Doubtful that its the conspiracy you claim .... and if it really is, america is totally fucked anyway so kick back with a budweiser and get ready for the show!

sadam hussain is claiming the protests are an attack on america because he wants the world to fear him and feel he has this much control. Of course he's going to claim he's responsible, the rally's were a RAGING success in making people speak out against a war. why wouldn't he claim responsibility?

>>The demonstrations that claim to be 'anti-war' are actually Anti-American and Anti-Bush.

just because someone doesn't want a war, it doesn't mean they are anti american ... see the thread with subject 'Alex, a letter from america'. These kind of claims make me want to withdraw my australian troops and tell you to deal with it yourself (i'll just go call the prime minister in from the sugar cane fields).

So torone, I'm an america hater if I don't like or respect how your government and country folk have handled this situation?

[PornoDoggy]

Don't be too concerned with Torone, cj ... most AMERICANS don't pass his muster for being American enough.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JR@Mar 1 2003, 04:55 PM
i am getting increasingly cynical about this whole situation.
Bush tried to make the sale and it looks like few are buying.
oh well. lifes a bitch. democracy means accepting the will of the majority. not the will of the majority as long as they agree with you. people are not saying a tougher stance should not be taken against Saddam. People are saying "why attack him right now". i think thats a valid position.

its kinda sad that a murderous dictator, hiding under a sand dune and rocks, still proves to be a better politician than the last 3 Presidents of the USA.
JR, I agree that few seem to be buying. Murderous dictators are often good politicians. Saddam is an excellent one.

Americans don't live in a strict democracy though. I don't know what one would call it really -- maybe a Constitutional Democratic Republic. The will of the people is important but so is the will of the states as evidenced by their representation in congress and the senate; one being proportional to the population of a state, one not. The president is the commander and chief of the armed forces. These are his decisions to make regardless. If we don't like it, we can vote him out. There are measures, if the people and their representatives feel strong enough, to change the situation. If we don't like that, we can change the system.

At any rate, Presidents REGULARLY act against the majority opinion of the public and I think it's really no big deal. It's happened a lot. The public was quite opposed to US involvement in WW I, for example. How about the War of 1812? How about The Spanish/American War? Even after World War I, 70% of Americans thought it had been a bad decision. None of these wars had popular support. I guess one could argue the US would have been better off not in any of them. That's Pat Buchanan's party though. ;-)

I am guessing that if there is a quick conflict, people will forget there was any opposition anyway - either inside or outside of the US. There were protestors during nearly every war this century, There was opposition somewhere to every war this century.

A messy war that doesn't go as planned will be the complete opposite and people will forever remember.

[Torone]

Originally posted by JR+Mar 1 2003, 02:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Mar 1 2003, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Mar 1 2003, 05:33 AM

We would rather NOT have to go to war; but believe logic (not me, not CNN), IT IS THE ONLY WAY!!!!
why is war necessary?
most of the world does not seem to think so.[/b][/quote]
'Most of the world?" believes exactly what their Socialist owners tell them to believe...

[Torone]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Mar 1 2003, 02:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Mar 1 2003, 02:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Mar 1 2003, 08:33 AM
First, Let's get some things straight...
The demonstrations that claim to be 'anti-war' are actually Anti-American and Anti-Bush. If you do the research, you will find that the organizations behind them are basically Socialist/Communist (ANSWER=Communist Revolutionary Party). Further, Saddam has already admitted that the protests are his first attack on America.

I can't think of anyone who is actually 'pro-war'...but I intend to be at a 'Pro-American' rally today in Houston. Further, there will be many signs there calling on Saddam to disarm and abdicate...

We would rather NOT have to go to war; but believe logic (not me, not CNN), IT IS THE ONLY WAY!!!!
Sigh.

One can be opposed to the idea of going to war with Saddam and not be anti-American, Torone. One can be opposed to the political policies of President Bush and still be pro-American, Torone. Being anti-Bush is not being anti-American, Torone - some would argue that it's far from it.

I'm telling you, dude, I think you'd be far more comfortable in Iraq or North Korea. They don't have to put up with the traitorous scum that question the policies of the Beloved Leader.

You better be careful ... the black U.N. stealth 'copters will be monitoring that rally ... :ph34r:[/b][/quote]
Pd, you begin to wear on me. All you can do is to defend (with BS rhetoric and ridicule) anyone who dislikes this country. Is that Pro-American? :headwall:

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone@Mar 2 2003, 09:39 AM
Pd, you begin to wear on me. All you can do is to defend (with BS rhetoric and ridicule) anyone who dislikes this country. Is that Pro-American? :headwall:
You accuse me of B.S. rhetoric immediately after posting 'Most of the world?" believes exactly what their Socialist owners tell them to believe... :unsure:

[SykkBoy]

I hate how people are classified as "anti-American" just because they have an opinion that isn't the same as the current administration.
Torone, were you anti-Clinton when he was in office? Anti-anti's like you crack me up. Those who hated Clinton are upstanding Americans, but those who hate George W. are card carrying, flag waving true Patriots?

I'm glad there are protesters who have the BALLS to state their disagreement with current policies...what could be more American than that? Which are truly the sheep? The "brainwashed socialists" or the brainwashed rightwingers who believe George W.'s word as gospel? I see a lot of sheep on both sides.

I want to do a talkradio program that is nothing but a bunch of idiots going "baaa baaaa baaa"

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Torone@Mar 2 2003, 09:39 AM
Pd, you begin to wear on me. All you can do is to defend (with BS rhetoric and ridicule) anyone who dislikes this country. Is that Pro-American? :headwall:
Aw, but everyone who opposes YOUR beliefs seems to be anti-American?
THAT, IMHO, is anti-American

[RawAlex]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Mar 2 2003, 03:50 PM
I want to do a talkradio program that is nothing but a bunch of idiots going "baaa baaaa baaa"
Too late... someone already did it..

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/

Alex

[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex+Mar 2 2003, 05:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RawAlex @ Mar 2 2003, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--SykkBoy@Mar 2 2003, 03:50 PM
I want to do a talkradio program that is nothing but a bunch of idiots going "baaa baaaa baaa"
Too late... someone already did it..

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/

Alex[/b][/quote]
you have referred to Rush Limbaugh several times. He is very right wing. i personally dont like him and dont find it to be very thought provoking to listen to someon drone on and on about the stupidity of liberals. i would not like it any more or less to listen to someone drone on and on about the stupidity of conservatives.

But what makes you different than Rush Limbaugh? you are futher left in your views, than he is to the right. No one here will suggest that you are not VERY biased in your political views and opinions.

in fact, you are so far at end of the spectrum, that i think a recent comparison to you being the "Anti-Torone" is probably not too far from the truth.

you are no less extreme than Rush Limbaugh.
you are not less biased than Rush Limbaugh
you are no more balanced than Rush Limbaugh

So why are your views better? Why is Rush Limbaugh wrong and RawAlex right?




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[RawAlex]

JR, you aren't paying attention again!

In this case, we are talking about sheep, bahhh bahhh bahhh... if you ever listen to the Rush radio show, his call in guests are the most sheep like people I have ever heard.

I don't discuss politics with you anymore.

Alex

[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 2 2003, 10:01 PM
JR, you aren't paying attention again!

In this case, we are talking about sheep, bahhh bahhh bahhh... if you ever listen to the Rush radio show, his call in guests are the most sheep like people I have ever heard.

I don't discuss politics with you anymore.

Alex
yes, i am "not paying attention". thats convienent. just relieve yourself of the responsibility of defending the attacks that you make.

agreed. i will then just chalk your answer down as the typically evasive
liberal response of someone who is too blind to recognize that his own
views are no more right or wrong than the views of those he despises.

:(

Anyone who gives credibility to anyone babbling about how "xxxx are
sheep" is not behaving any differently than the "sheep" you claim exist.

Interesting that the "sheep" in the world of RawAlex, are always
Conservative sheep or Republican sheep. havent heard you talk about any Liberal sheep.

it must frighten you that there are no successful Liberal voices on the
radio. do you think that is a conspiracy of station owners? advertisers? or
a wider conspiracy of tens of millions of sheep?

[RawAlex]

JR, let me repeat again, I will NOT discuss politics with you. You can continue your one side hatch job of me in peace. I just don't care what you say anymore, your bitter and unrelenting attacks are amusing but that doesn't make it any different.

I won't discuss politics. I made a humorous comment about a radio show. Don't like it? too f-ing bad.

Alex

[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 2 2003, 10:33 PM
I made a humorous comment about a radio show. šDon't like it? štoo f-ing bad.

Alex
Alex, you are flattering yourself to think that i care about what you say more than i do. my t-shirt factory, is keeping me too busy battering the hypocrisy of the social elite, like yourself. You know... those who are wise enough to realize that everyone else is just dumber than them... which is constantly proven by their dissagreement with your views.

do you really think anyone perceives your Rush Limbaugh comment as a "humorous comment" after all the times you have used the words "Rush Limbaugh" in an attempt to describe someones views as unreasonable, extreme or ignorant?

do you really think its a "humorous comment about a radio show" when you spent two days trying with great dilligence and patience to explain that all Americans are brainwashed, all American media is biased, the government controlls the media and the opinions of Americans do not matter?

do you really think that people dont notice that anything you post about politics is either very biased to the left or attacking the right and yet somehow you feel your views are the only right views?

the difference between you and i Alex, is not "left and right" and political polarity. The difference is that i can freely admit to being one-sided, biased and hypocritical.



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[cj]

woah JR, do you really not see why Alex won't banter with you anymore??

your discussion isn't about politics anymore, your hatred is becoming really obvious ....

you 2 sound like pd and torone only more childish

now go to your room and think about your behavior or you'll get a good whipping!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by cj@Mar 3 2003, 02:42 AM
now go to your room and think about your behavior or you'll get a good whipping!
CJ threatens a good time for all!

[HoneyBlond]

its kinda sad that a murderous dictator, hiding under a sand dune and rocks, still proves to be a better politician than the last 3 Presidents of the USA.

Touche


The difference is that i can freely admit to being one-sided, biased and hypocritical.


Congratulations! Your therapist must be very proud!
:lol:



Last edited by HoneyBlond at Mar 3 2003, 10:09 PM

[JR]

Originally posted by cj@Mar 2 2003, 11:42 PM
woah JR, do you really not see why Alex won't banter with you anymore??

your discussion isn't about politics anymore, your hatred is becoming really obvious ....

you 2 sound like pd and torone only more childish

now go to your room and think about your behavior or you'll get a good whipping!
Agreed CJ. except that i dont really hate anyone.

I get a little annoyed at someone that wants to continually post about "everything thats wrong with you and where you are from"... then ends every discussion with "you dont get it" or "ok... i will explain it to you one more time" or "your brainwashed" etc.

Alexs opinion is pretty much irrelevant to me. there is nothing to be learned from him because he does not want discussion or debate or learning. he wants to explain why he is right and XXXX is wrong, so that he can feel better about himself and his own insecurities. Then, when he has painted himself into a corner with absurd remarks and comments - he suddenly and conviently feels that he does not need to discuss or defend anything that he said. Oddly, it seems that he can be as offensive as he wants by insisting that Americans are brainwashed, their opinions are irrelevant and everyone to the right of him politically is just a sheep and thats ok... not only OK... but that its the ONLY reasonable and correct view.

I dont think America is great CJ. I fully understand your views. I am definately not one of the "my country, right or wrong" crowd. I dont think America is anything more than it is. Its a country. A country with good and bad... just like any country. I dont think America is any better than Denmark or anywhere else. Its a purely subjective thing. More space shuttles or laser guided bombs, does not make a "people" or the ground on which they stand better. Neither does more Levis and MTV.

i always found it ironic to see the media look at an Eastern European politician and refer to him as "ultr-Nationalist" and in America, its just called "Patriotism"... and yet, there is no notion of "Utra Patriotism" in the USA.

[Torone]

Alex and Pd,
You both could be the same person...Try and tell me that you aren't following a playbook.

BTW, one of the problems I have with Rush, Sean, and most other Conservative talk hosts is that they give Liberals a forum. Of course, I imagine y'all are too busy listening to the latest incarnation of Art Bell's show (Coast-toCoast, now hosted by George Norrie (sp?)) to ever listen to any of them...

In any case, I'm spending entirely too much time trying to make you see the truth, when you wouldn't know truth if it came up and bit you in the ass. I need to spend more time building websites. Just remember the word 'pogrom'...it's what may happen to Anti-Americans if there is a terrorist attack in this country using weapons of mass destruction.

I now return you to the Bill Clinton show, featuring porn's most vocal Socialists... :nyanya:

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone@Mar 3 2003, 07:09 AM
Just remember the word 'pogrom'...it's what may happen to Anti-Americans if there is a terrorist attack in this country using weapons of mass destruction.
:heil:
Well, well, well. I think that remark that pretty well sums up everything you stand for, mein friend.
:heil:

[RawAlex]

JR: You take everything I say now to be political and to be negative. You obviously didn't read what I said . I listened to Rush quite a bit, and I found that his callin guests were the most likely to echo exactly what he said, never disagreeing... thus the sheep comment. No comment about his politics, his point of view, NOTHING. Just that I found his "callers" to be excessively sympathetic to him, therefore sheep. Not a political comment, a comment about a radio show I listened to.

your anger is stunning, without provocation you almost went way over the line again. That is just sad. No, I ain't gonna talk politics with you.

Alex

[JR]

[QUOTE]I'm spending entirely too much time trying to make you see the truth, when you wouldn't know truth if it came up and bit you in the ass.[/QUOTE|

"make you see the truth"
:unsure:

dont tell me that you finally fizzled out in your quest to reprogram mankind? for someone in a grand crusade against Communist infiltration, you sure gave up easy.
:(

Torone, i may be slightly out of line... but i am going to go out on a limb and suggest again, that possibly, maybe... you should turn off the A.M. radio and just walk away for a little while. You may be spending entirely too much time listening to people like Rush Limbaugh who spend 3hrs a day beginning every third sentence with "here is what XXX said" and following it up each time with "folks, let me tell you what that REALLY means".
:blink:

[JR]

JR: You take everything I say now to be political and to be negative.

because you spend a lot of time saying both political and negative things either specifically targeting one single political group you dissagree with or the USA/US Government as a whole.

I found that his callin guests were the most likely to echo exactly what he said, never disagreeing... thus the sheep comment

thats true with any politically oriented show that invites feedback. people that dont like him are not listening to him.

BUT you made that sheep remark about ALL voters too... remember? before that it was that all Americans are brainwashed and incapable of forming their own opinions... so my assumption (if you want to call it that) is quite consistent with both the content and tone of your previous posts and history of general remarks about the US and US politics.


You obviously didn't read what I said

this typical response comes up quite a bit from you as i said earlier. "you just dont get it" ... "i will explain this one more time"... "you obviously did not read what i said" etc etc.

its an easy way to attempt to negate everything that was said in a blanket manner without having to address it. :(


No comment about his politics, his point of view, NOTHING. Just that I found his "callers" to be excessively sympathetic to him, therefore sheep.
so anyone that agrees with you can be said to be sheep too right? i dont get that. if people call in to the RawAlex show and agree with RawAlex, that means everyone's a moron and incapable of thinking for themselves?

that is an extremely narrow view and shortsighted remark. the world is built on the opinions of people. thats how the world is. thats what democracy is. thats what drives a family, society and government. you have an opinion about everything and then dismiss the opinions and views of others and refer to them as sheep, brainwashed, victems of propoganda etc etc.
:unsure:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 3 2003, 09:58 AM
mein friend.
:heil:
:rokk:

[RawAlex]

JR, keep going. Your amusing, although you are headed for dullsville, I think.

I won't discuss politics. You keep making everything about politics. I ain't going to let myself get baited anymore. Sorry.

Alex

[Torone]

Pd and Jr,
Y'all are so out of touch! Pd, If you ever got your head off of CNN and listened to or watched something else, you would know about the 'good ole boy factor'. Jr, It is unnecessary and probably impossible to change people like you, Pd, et al. Identification is enouh, snce it always brings out your playbooks. :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya: :moon:

[PornoDoggy]

Torone, I haven't made a comment about good ole boys; I believe someone else did, but it wasn't me.

CNN is one of a number of news sources I listen to - not that I think you'd approve of any of them. The majority of them offer a variety of views in an attempt to be unbiased. I will admit that they seldom include views as far right as yours. They don't often include the commentary of the Socialist Workers Party either, so that doesn't persuade me that they are being one sided.

You are the one who posted the comment about a pogrom, pal, not me. The funny thing is that's the absolute paranoia of some on the extreme left - that the next (and inevitable) attack will be the excuse "the fascists" are looking for to stifle dissent and crack down on political opponents as well as terrorists.

I guess the difference between you and the paranoid individuals on the left is that, rather than fearing it, you look forward to it. :heil:



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Mar 3 2003, 06:19 PM

[TheEnforcer]

Nothing like a few good pokes to Torone by PD to brighten up my day!! :rokk: :okthumb:

:bdance: :bwave: :bjump: :cdance: :bojump: :gbounce:

[PornoDoggy]

Careful, TE ... you don't want to get your name on 'THE LIST" ...

[Torone]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 3 2003, 08:18 PM
Careful, TE ... you don't want to get your name on 'THE LIST" ...
It ain't me that's making a 'list'...If there should be a really serious attack (with a nuke, for instance), I am in a prime target area. THAT'S why I want the 'Axis of Evil' to cease existing (I'm NOT referring to Pd, Alex, and Jr). As for 'the list', it is just something from the grapevine.

[JR]

Originally posted by Torone@Mar 3 2003, 02:44 PM
Pd and Jr,
Y'all are so out of touch! Pd, If you ever got your head off of CNN and listened to or watched something else, you would know about the 'good ole boy factor'. Jr, It is unnecessary and probably impossible to change people like you, Pd, et al. Identification is enouh, snce it always brings out your playbooks. :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya: :moon:
*sigh* - the over used and silly CNN referrence again. :(

i am not sure why you feel that you may be more informed than others, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are. i just have a couple questions:

"why do you feel you need to "change" anyone"?

and as you previously said when referring to PD

"why do you feel you are the one who is trying to make people see the "truth""?

Torone, i understand that you may be passionate in your views, but i think that any well balanced person has to consider that there are in fact other opinions, view points and ideas.

I listen to Rush Limbaugh for as long as i can tolerate it sometimes. Frankly, i dont like to listen to someone who uses the tagline "you dont have to think, because i will think for you" or whatever it was. I listen to Sean Hannity, Micheal Savage, O'Reily and so on.

When you speak, you are parroting Conservative Talk Radio sound bites, nothing more. You repeatedly call the people who have different views that you "communists" and "anti-American" - very common and popular Rush Limbaugh buzz words. You constantly refer to liberal media conspiracies - more Rush Limbaugh and Conservative talk radio. You banter on and on about Liberals, Democrats, Traitors and Communism and have not expressed a single unique opinion that can't be found anywhere in AM radio.

The most awefull part is that your mind is closed. you have made up your mind. you have made your decision. you have come to the conclusion that there is only one right answer and you feel you need to change people to conform with your views. This was also true with people like Marx, Lenin, Engels, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Hitler, Charles Manson, David Koresh, Randy Weaver, or even the Aryan Nation and KKK and so on. Kinda ironic dont you think? Are you different because you know you are right and there were mistaken? i don't understand how someone could think that way.

I learn more and more everyday about others and other pespectives that i had previously not considered and understood. I can say that in most of my time here on Oprano, i have shifted a little to the left and closer to center because i realize fully that not seeing the other side of the issue in a balanced way... means you are trying to solve a math equation with only half the data. ... which of course yields a solution that solves nothing.



Last edited by JR at Mar 5 2003, 05:23 AM

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone@Mar 5 2003, 07:40 AM
It ain't me that's making a 'list'...If there should be a really serious attack (with a nuke, for instance), I am in a prime target area. THAT'S why I want the 'Axis of Evil' to cease existing (I'm NOT referring to Pd, Alex, and Jr). As for 'the list', it is just something from the grapevine.
What "grapevine" is speculating about a pogrom against Americans in the event of a terrorist attack? That is the talk of the Timothy McVeighs of the world, Torone ... not rational Americans. It sounds like a list I'd be proud to be on ... and a list I would be equally happy to turn over to the FBI if I could find out who is compiling it.

I don't like terrorists, Torone ... and I don't care where they are from or what ideology they claim to represent.