Boycot France!

[Forest]

Anyone want to help get a national movement going to call for a boycott of All french products.

Hit em where it counts!!!


I have contacts at 50 of the top radio stations in the nation

anyone want to help design a site host it ect ect.

Come on lets show these bastards



:grrr:

[sarah_webinc]

their wine costs me 50 cents a bottle..i'm not exactly making them rich.

[Forest]

Doesnt matter how much you spend

The govt get a % of every cent and use it to help to keep Sadam in power buy buying cheap oil from them and sending them all sorts of military products.

[Winetalk.com]

France is in 7 years economic downturn...

fuck the fuckin' bastards,
let's hope you 50 cents wine will be the straw which broke the camel's ass!

[LadyMischief]

That sounds all well and good, but it will likely have the same effect as trade embargos on countries. The little people suffer while the corrupt governments continue to do what they do anyways.

[MikeW]

I'll boycott anything EXCEPT the new 2000 Bordeaux's just starting to hit the shelves ... supposedly the best vintage since '61 and '45. I got my hands on a few early releases and needless to say, I'm gonna be buying lots by the case this year.

I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but damnit I won't go without my Bordeaux!

:ph34r:

:bdance: :bjump: :bdance: :cdance:

[Mike AI]

I am all for boycotting French products, I already have started by refusing to drink evian at some reaturants I went to this weekend... I suffered and drank tap water! HAHA

I am actually serious about boycotting french things, fuck them!!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by MikeW@Feb 26 2003, 01:20 PM
supposedly the best vintage since '61
'61 was a very good year for MANY things :awinky: (I turn 42 this year - do the math......)

[sarettah]

I'm not sure of the year, but a ways back, France lost most of their Vineyards, can't remember if teh cause was drought or disease or some other form of pestilence... But,

At that time, virtually all of France's vineyards were replanted with cuttings from California Vineyards (makes sense since most of California Vineyards were started with French Cuttings).. So, when you drink French Wine, you are actually drinking the same grape as California....

Save yourself the import fees and be Patriotic at the same time...

Drink California Wine !!!!

If you want to help out one of our staunchest Allies...

Drink Australian Wine !!!!

Boycott the French Wines !!!! Dump them down the drain....

Besides if you go experiment a bit, you will find some really really excellent California Wines on the shelfs at $7.00 a bottle.......

Love that Gundlach Bundschu... Sonoma Valley.... Yummmmmmmmmmmm

[RawAlex]

I got an idea... let's all boycott IRAQ.

Wait, you all drive big ass SUVs that get about 3 gallons per mile... you couldn't live without the oil.

Too bad, so sad.

Alex

[Mike AI]

Sarattah I am with you! I prefer wines from the NAPA region..... hard to beat Caymus, Silver Oak, Joe Phelps, etc....


I have had some nice Aussie wines as well that CJ pointed me too!!

Support the ALIANCE!!

FUCK THE FRENCH!!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 12:52 PM
I got an idea... let's all boycott IRAQ.

Wait, you all drive big ass SUVs that get about 3 gallons per mile... you couldn't live without the oil.

Too bad, so sad.

Alex
Alex,

Who is "you all"?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 12:52 PM
I got an idea... let's all boycott IRAQ.

Wait, you all drive big ass SUVs that get about 3 gallons per mile... you couldn't live without the oil.

Too bad, so sad.

Alex
I drive an economy car, thank you very much......

And boycotts on Iraq haven't worked very well because the fucking frogs keep on trading with them anyway.......

[Winetalk.com]

France is gonna choke...
now Netpond, XBIZ and GFY joined Oprano in Holy War!

[Peaches]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 01:52 PM
I got an idea... let's all boycott IRAQ.

Wait, you all drive big ass SUVs that get about 3 gallons per mile... you couldn't live without the oil.

Too bad, so sad.

Alex
Hmmm - let's see - my SUV gets 20 MPG and the last time I drove it I had 7 people in it.....How many people fit in a 30 MPG econobox? :nyanya:

I'm on my way to Atlanta where I will fill it up completely with groceries and non-perishables and I won't have to drive it again for another month for supplies.

Let's not even bring up the simple fact that a 4cyl wimp engine wouldn't even allow me to leave my home at all on rainy days like today, lol!

Sometimes those real life examples jump up to bite you in the butt B)

[Dravyk]

Can't think of one damned thing I buy that comes from France anyhow!!!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Feb 26 2003, 01:17 PM
Can't think of one damned thing I buy that comes from France anyhow!!!
"Frennch Ticklers"?
;-))

[Sword]

Count me in. Fuck France.
:snipe: :woo: :kapow: FRANCE :shooter:

[Alex @ ISPrime]

Originally posted by Forest@Feb 26 2003, 12:01 PM
Anyone want to help get a national movement going to call for a boycott of All french products.

Hit em where it counts!!!


I have contacts at 50 of the top radio stations in the nation

anyone want to help design a site host it ect ect.

Come on lets show these bastards



:grrr:
Where do I sign up - France is a bunch of whores they always been and will always be

:snipe: :kapow:

[Winetalk.com]

our Russian brothers join the aliance...

http://www.crutop.nu/ubb/Forum6/HTML/004749.html
:kapow:

[RawAlex]

Peaches, for every one person that has a real reason to have an SUV, there is some poser out there driving to work each day alone... eating up fuel and all - the continued increase in demand for fossil fuels in the US (131 billions gallons last year, if numbers I have read are correct) - is something that continues to put the western world at the feet of these tin pot dictators...

Here... an idea from someone I respect greatly (who shoots guns even... )

http://www.automobilemag.com/columns/0303_...americandriver/ (http://www.automobilemag.com/columns/0303_americandriver/)

You won't like it.. but it is about a million times more productive than not drinking french wine.

Alex

[Mike AI]

Alex every Vehicle I drive has a v8 in it....

I enjoythe power and the speed. My SUVs burn less gas them my classics....

However, the problem with Oil is not Iraq.... it is the liberal in the US who will not let us drill for oil in our own back yards! We have enough oil in the US to last this nations needs for the next 100 years... we just need to drill it!

Alex, the issue with Iraq is not oil - at least this time - it is about a dictator having WMD - refusing to give them up, and not living up the the cease fire.

[Winetalk.com]

Forest,
the website you have requested is DONE!

http://208.179.237.183/index.htm

down with France!

[Danny_C]

I agree... maybe we should start getting off the oil before we concern ourselves with the French.

[dantheman]

Originally posted by Peaches+Feb 26 2003, 12:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Feb 26 2003, 12:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--MikeW@Feb 26 2003, 01:20 PM
supposedly the best vintage since '61
'61 was a very good year for MANY things :awinky: (I turn 42 this year - do the math......)[/b][/quote]
I turned 42 this month :gbounce:


fuck the fench, and to think my grandfather got shot and captured in france and spent the last year of the war in a german pow camp for the bastards :grrr:

from now on, when I go to mickeyDs for fries I calling them freedom fries :rokk:

[hershie]

Check your stock and mutual funds portfolio for French stocks (Vivendi...) and write your mutual fund company.

I remember this strategy was very successful with fighting apartheid when activists got all the endowment funds of universities to divest themselves of any South African investments.

[Forest]

dan

hit me up please

118156620

thanx

Serge,

Ill get working on getting the word out
:okthumb:

[sarettah]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 01:29 PM
the continued increase in demand for fossil fuels in the US (131 billions gallons last year, if numbers I have read are correct) - is something that continues to put the western world at the feet of these tin pot dictators...

Hmmm... WE put the western world at the feet of them ???

hmmm.. sounds like the REST of the western world doesn't have much to offer, do they.....

How WE (the U.S.) is RESPONSIBLE for the ENTIRE western world is beyond me.....

I thought most of the many nations that make up the WESTERN WORLD were fairly autonomous and did their own thing....

The U.S. dependence on Oil is the U.S.'s problem, thank you very much.....

We have a history of taking care of our own problems, sometimes the right way, sometimes the wrong way.....

But, unlike OTHER members of the Western World that exist in this hemisphere, we don't rely on someone else to fight our battles for us......

I remember when I was stationed in Bermuda. We would get ships from all over the world in there...

Most countries ships were so pretty and shiny.... Canadians would come in with all their brass shined up, looking all spiffy and new..... The same for the Norwegians and tyeh Swedish.....

The U.S. ships were rusty, breaking apart... dirty hulks.....

Got talking about it with some folk and asked "how come our ships look like shit while the rest of em that come in here are so pretty?", The answer given to me was "Well, we actually use our ships, we don't bring them into dry dock just because it's raining"

[Forest]

Originally posted by Danny_C@Feb 26 2003, 10:37 AM
I agree... maybe we should start getting off the oil before we concern ourselves with the French.
huh??? :huh:

what does our oil use have to do with the french?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Danny_C@Feb 26 2003, 01:37 PM
I agree... maybe we should start getting off the oil before we concern ourselves with the French.
if you need oil,
you can always squeeze your boss...

[Miss Novette]

Great idea and website! Thanks for the listing of their brands. I'll share it with my friends.
:bulb1:

Not sure if you've heard this one but recently it was said that going to war without the French is like going to war without an accordian. :P

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Forest+Feb 26 2003, 01:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Forest @ Feb 26 2003, 01:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Danny_C@Feb 26 2003, 10:37 AM
I agree... maybe we should start getting off the oil before we concern ourselves with the French.
huh??? :huh:

what does our oil use have to do with the french?[/b][/quote]
Forest, forgive him,
he works for Brad,
don't expect any logic from him....
;-)))

[scorpio]

Post deleted by me :D



Last edited by scorpio at Feb 26 2003, 10:46 AM

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Miss Novette@Feb 26 2003, 01:44 PM
Great idea and website! Thanks for the listing of their brands. I'll share it with my friends.
:bulb1:

Not sure if you've heard this one but recently it was said that going to war without the French is like going to war without an accordian. :P
hahahahahahhahahahahaha,
good one!
;-))))

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 26 2003, 01:35 PM
Alex every Vehicle I drive has a v8 in it....

I enjoythe power and the speed. My SUVs burn less gas them my classics....

However, the problem with Oil is not Iraq.... it is the liberal in the US who will not let us drill for oil in our own back yards! We have enough oil in the US to last this nations needs for the next 100 years... we just need to drill it!

Alex, the issue with Iraq is not oil - at least this time - it is about a dictator having WMD - refusing to give them up, and not living up the the cease fire.
The proble with Iraq is not oil, but Mike AI, you have it wrong too...

One of our problems is that we are addicted to oil. (that is not causing the current conflict, but it is an issue)

Alcohol is a cleaner fuel and has been available much longer than oil.... It also can be produced by just about anything.

We stopped putting our development money into Alcohol along about the turn of the century... Not because it wasn't viable, but predominantly because of the Temperance movement.

The big oil companie have the bucks to command policy and as far as they are concerned, there is no need to put money into Alcohol or other Alternatives until we have pumped every bit of oil we can out of the ground.....

We do not need more oil wells, we do not need more Oil imports... We need more money going into developing the Fuel Alcohol industry in our country... Take us totally off of any foreign dependence.....

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by scorpio@Feb 26 2003, 01:45 PM
Post deleted by me :D
I know this idiot,
the SUCKIEST designs on the net....
who also swore to never post here again
;-))

what a DIP !

[Forest]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Feb 26 2003, 10:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Feb 26 2003, 10:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Forest@Feb 26 2003, 01:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Danny_C@Feb 26 2003, 10:37 AM
I agree... maybe we should start getting off the oil before we concern ourselves with the French.
huh??? :huh:

what does our oil use have to do with the french?
Forest, forgive him,
he works for Brad,
don't expect any logic from him....
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Now it makes sense :okthumb:

[dantheman]

forrest, I dont have icq here at the office, ring me 1-800-445-3119

[Sword]

Alex I think your logic is seriously flawed regarding connecting SUV owners & Iraq. But here's one for you:

Back up all your constant complaints about the USA by refusing all current and future checks from US based sponsors.

If you don't do that, then wouldn't your SUV arguments be hypocritical?

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2003, 01:36 PM
Forest,
the website you have requested is DONE!

http://208.179.237.183/index.htm

down with France!
Ok, I happened to have a domain lying around

http://www.awrats.com

which now stands for:

Adult
Webmasters
Rallying
Against
Terrorist
States

or AWRATS.................

It now does a zero refresh to the boycott page.... I will leave it that way until we don't need it any more :)

(dont worry about what AWRATS was originally going to mean...lolololol)

[RawAlex]

Mike, the war isn't about oil on the surface - but the difference in approaches between someone who might be re-armed one day (Saddam) and someone who is (permed haired leader of North Korea) shows that there is a difference here.

North Korea doesn't have anything about it that is interesting to the US... so no war to remove a dictator with a nuclear bomb. Containment is good for this one.

Because the US (and most western countries) are Oil dependant to the max (including for the plastic that made your keyboard), the west ends up at the feet of these countries too often. Most economies would go to shit if a couple of the OPEC members decided to take a week off of producing oil. Already you can see that higher oil prices are having a negative effect (although not as bad as some people predicted when I suggested a small increase in gas taxes a few months back!).

There are MAJOR economic reasons to get rid of Saddam and replace him with a UN friendly government. The huge oil reserves could finally be tapped at a reasonable level, maybe bringing Iraq back past 4 million barrels per day, and with development, maybe up to 8 million barrels per day. Considering that OPEC members are currently capped at 24.5 million barrels per day, that would be a HUGE increase in the amount of oil available, which would push down the price and bring good things to the economies of the west.

If you think oil isn't the reason all this is going on, try to explain it in North Korean terms... then suddenly it becomes way more obvious.

Boycotting France isn't going to change the economics of the situation, it is just going to put up ANOTHER wall.

Alex

[Sword]

Damn, according to that website, Universal Studios is a French company. I never knew that. Are you guys going to boycott all movies from Universal?

That one could be tough. I hope the Matrix isn't from Universal or I'll be crossing the picket line!!

:P

[RawAlex]

Sword, I am not complaining about the US and SUVs... I am complaining about the entire western world and it's love of fossil fuels. Don't try to put my in an anti-US spin... I refuse categorically to discuss politics anymore here, it is pointless. Notice I said "western world"... that includes Canada....

This isn't ANTI-US... it is ANTI-getting up the ass from some dictator because we are all stupid enough to lube up and back towards him.

Spin that.

Alex

[RawAlex]

Oh, I looked quick... NISSAN is owned by Renault now... so I trust nobody will buy a Nissan anymore either... and I am sure you will all get rid of your alcatel DSL modems...

Tee-hee... this is fun.

Alex

[Carrie]

Alcohol is a cleaner fuel and has been available much longer than oil

I've got it! Let's use the french wine to run our cars!

Sare, you've gotta just smile at Raw Alex sometimes, he loves to bash the US while he counts his US money and drives his US Harley Davidson. He is a contradiction to himself, but we love him anyway. :nyanya:


edit: my dang quote wasn't working right



Last edited by Carrie at Feb 26 2003, 02:15 PM

[el pres]

If you're boycotting everything French,
are you going to give the statue of liberty back?

[Vick]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 02:05 PM
There are MAJOR economic reasons to get rid of Saddam and replace him with a UN friendly government. The huge oil reserves could finally be tapped at a reasonable level, maybe bringing Iraq back past 4 million barrels per day, and with development, maybe up to 8 million barrels per day. Considering that OPEC members are currently capped at 24.5 million barrels per day, that would be a HUGE increase in the amount of oil available, which would push down the price and bring good things to the economies of the west.
Ah that is the one thing we can agree on Alex!!! If you replace UN with US
Fuck the UN, it doesn't work. Never has, never will
and forget the French - they are not worth fucking. France will eventually collapse

[Forest]

Originally posted by sarettah+Feb 26 2003, 11:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Feb 26 2003, 11:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2003, 01:36 PM
Forest,
the website you have requested is DONE!

http://208.179.237.183/index.htm

down with France!
Ok, I happened to have a domain lying around

http://www.awrats.com

which now stands for:

Adult
Webmasters
Rallying
Against
Terrorist
States

or AWRATS.................

It now does a zero refresh to the boycott page.... I will leave it that way until we don't need it any more :)

(dont worry about what AWRATS was originally going to mean...lolololol)[/b][/quote]
Your AWESOME!!! :wnw:

[RawAlex]

Originally posted by Carrie@Feb 26 2003, 02:13 PM
Alcohol is a cleaner fuel and has been available much longer than oil

I've got it! Let's use the french wine to run our cars!

Sare, you've gotta just smile at Raw Alex sometimes, he loves to bash the US while he counts his US money and drives his US Harley Davidson. He is a contradiction to himself, but we love him anyway. :nyanya:


edit: my dang quote wasn't working right
Carrie, politely, f-off, okay? I am not trying to bash the US - I am pointing out how silly it is to boycott France... and how simple things by the ENTIRE western world could change the economics of the situation.... and honestly, what the fuck does my job have anything to do with anything? More crappy spin to discredit an idea, not by attacking the idea but by attacking the bearing of the message. That is sad, petty, and worthless.

I don't talk politics here anymore for that exact reason.

Alex

[sarettah]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 02:08 PM
I am not complaining about the US and SUVs... I am complaining about the entire western world and it's love of fossil fuels. Don't try to put my in an anti-US spin... I refuse categorically to discuss politics anymore here, it is pointless. Notice I said "western world"... that includes Canada....

This isn't ANTI-US... it is ANTI-getting up the ass from some dictator because we are all stupid enough to lube up and back towards him.

Alex, earlier you said:

the continued increase in demand for fossil fuels in the US (131 billions gallons last year, if numbers I have read are correct) - is something that continues to put the western world at the feet of these tin pot dictators...


You are clearly putting the Western World's Oil problems upon the feet of the U.S.

now.... Spin that

[RawAlex]

sarettah, the answer to your question involves alot of things "political", such as CAFE regulations, the nature of transportation systems and their funding, etc. There is no intention in the slightest to bash american in particular, it is to bash all western people who use fuel in a wasteful manner and then are surprised that they are supporting tyranical leaders all over the world.

It isn't US bashing - it is stating facts and looking at more productive things to do than stop drinking evian... the amount of effort that would have to be put in to get france to say "go ahead and bomb them" would be better spent changing the economics of the whole situation...

No spin, no bullshit. Boycotting france is fun and all, but it is hardly going to change the oil economy, no?

Alex

[sarettah]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 02:40 PM
No spin, no bullshit. Boycotting france is fun and all, but it is hardly going to change the oil economy, no?

But, the problem of the moment isn't the Oil....

The problem of the moment is Jacques ChIraq and his love affair with Saddam Hussein.......

Whether I am for or against invading Iraq doesn't even matter....

What matters is that when we, the western world, are at the U.N., that we present a United Front.... Leave the bickering and the grandstanding in the back room.

France does not want any part of that, Germany is not in support of the U.S. on it either, but they are not standing up in the U.N. and showboating about it...

anyway, got to go to a meeting... later

[RawAlex]

sarettah, sorry, but France is just an itch... people are hoping to scratch it and make it go away... but like any itch, that could be an indication of a more serious problem.

Don't get lost in the details, don't lose site of the forest because of the trees... stand back a few paces, and see what this has to do in the overall situation. Try to find the reasons that France supported UN resolution 1441 but cannot support to current call for quick military action.

Most importantly, ask this simple question: Is Saddam any more of a problem than he was a month ago? Is he any more likely to use weapons of mass destruction today than he was in December? While inspections continue, that answer is no. Is Saddam building more weapons of mass destruction right now? I don't think he would do that while inspections are ongoing. So the question is: Why military action today instead of in a month, or 2 months, or 6 months?

All the boycotting of things french (and german, and russian, see : http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1430...623_1_A,00.html (http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1430_A_787623_1_A,00.html) ) doesn't change the situation. Answer the question above honestly, without spin, without getting into "they have missles that go 5 miles further than they are suppose to, maybe, possibly perhaps" and try to figure out why there are a number of people and counties that are having a hard time with all of this...

Alex

[Winetalk.com]

Why military action today instead of in a month, or 2 months, or 6 months?
************************************************

because of the weather....

Alex,
you are saying EXACTLY what fuckers were saying about Hitler back ion a day.

"Leave him a lone, Germany is not a threat.."

we all know waht happned than, right?

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2003, 04:17 PM
Alex,
you are saying EXACTLY what fuckers were saying about Hitler back ion a day.

"Leave him a lone, Germany is not a threat.."

we all know waht happned than, right?
not applicable now.

Intelligence and communications are worlds apart from the late 1930's to today.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Feb 26 2003, 03:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Feb 26 2003, 03:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2003, 04:17 PM
Alex,
you are saying EXACTLY what fuckers were saying about Hitler back ion a day.

"Leave him a lone, Germany is not a threat.."

we all know waht happned than, right?
not applicable now.

Intelligence and communications are worlds apart from the late 1930's to today.[/b][/quote]
yeah, but the idiots of the world are all the same...
human nature hasn't changed at all in the last 5000 years

[Winetalk.com]

best from Netpond:

Yes littleC it is all about the oil. After all if you look back thru history of every war that USA has been a part of, it was all about plundering. We plundered the fuck out of Germany and Japan after the world wars for example. It's amazing there is even countries left there, we plundered them so badly.

Desert Storm 91, we plundered the hell out of Kuwait after we liberated it. The entire nation lives in poverty because we took everything from the entire nation. Vietnam, we plundered as much as possible on our way out. Korea, we took every last grain of rice. Somolia, it was all about plundering their ghettos. We plundered those ghettos good. Yugoslavia, fuck yeah we plundered it. Got every last damn yugoslavian basketball player and kidnapped them as our bounty there. We force them to play in the NBA now.

It's always about the "oil" or whatever, when the USA is going to war. Like I said, look back through history, everyone we have ever gone to war with, we have plundered and robbed them to the point of non-existance, and then refused to help rebuild or help them in any way.

PS: I hope you understand sarcasm.

Sword ::: Get a Porche 911 Turbo!
Wed Feb 26 16:07:57 2003 - 65.221.88.219 - message #210337

[RawAlex]

No Serge, I did not say "leave him alone"... please don't put words in my mouth... you make it sound like I would like nothing more than everyone to walk away and stop paying any attention to him. That is the fathest things from the truth. (and, I should note, once again, common debating technique of attempting to discredit the messenger, rather than discussing the message)

Serge, the weather will just as good for an attack 6 months from now as it is today... what's the difference?

Keep a close eye on him. Let the inspections continue. Keep a strong military option on the table... but the rush to war is just that... I don't see what is different today in the situation that wasn't there a week ago that says "today we blow him up"...

While that is going on, attempt to change the economics of the situation so that in the long run, it don't happen again. Otherwise it will be "replacement Saddam" that will fuck us all over again in the future.

Alex

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2003, 04:37 PM
yeah, but the idiots of the world are all the same...
human nature hasn't changed at all in the last 5000 years
Very true Serge.

[RawAlex]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2003, 03:38 PM
Yes littleC it is all about the oil. After all if you look back thru history of every war that USA has been a part of, it was all about plundering. We plundered the fuck out of Germany and Japan after the world wars for example. It's amazing there is even countries left there, we plundered them so badly.

Tee-hee, this is funny - I won't go far except to point out once again, common debating technique - don't discuss the message, rather discredit the person putting an opinion forward by mocking them and their values.

If you don't think it is about oil, then try to figure the difference between North Korea (nuclear armed, firing test missles actively, etc) vs Iraq (might have weapons, nothing found yet except for missles that might be able to go 15 miles further than the UN allows). There is ONE major difference, and it is what is under the ground in the two countries... one is poor and without the ability to feed it's people, and the other sits on the largest oil reserves in the world.

If you can't see the importance of oil in the discussion, then you mainlined the koolaid.

Alex

[Winetalk.com]

Best from GFY!

forwarded from my "Ex-Marine" Father in law.. thought it was appropriate to share on this thread... Evil Chris should come tell us his alternate plan of diplomacy... ;-))

> > Dear Dad,
> >
> > A funny thing happened to me yesterday at Camp Bondsteel (Bosnia): A
> French
> > army officer walked up to me in the PX, and told me he thought we
> > (Americans) were a bunch of cowboys and were going to provoke a war in
> > Iraq.
> > He said if such a thing happens, we wouldn't be able to count on the
> > support
> > of France.
> >
> > I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we had come to France's
> rescue
> > in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and the Cold War, their
ingratitude
> > and jealousy was due to surface [again] at some point in the near future
> > anyway.
> >
> > I also told him that is why France is a third-rate military power with a
> > socialist economy and a bunch of pansies for soldiers. I additionally
told
> > him that America, being a nation of deeds and action, not words, would
do
> > whatever it had to do, and France's support, if it ever came, was only
for
> > show anyway.
> >
> > Just like in ALL NATO exercises, the US would shoulder 85% of the
burden,
> > and provide 85% of the support, as evidenced by the fact that this
French
> > officer was shopping in the American PX, and not the other way around.
> >
> > He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would
like
> > to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and whip his
ass
> > in
> > front of the entire Multi-National Brigade East, thus demonstrating that
> > even the smallest American had more fight in him than the average
> > Frenchman.
> >
> > He called me a barbarian cowboy and walked away in a huff.
> >
> > With friends like these, who needs enemies?
> >
> > Dad, tell Mom I love her,
> >
> > Your loving daughter,
> >
> > Mary Beth Johnson LtCol., USMC

by GregX

[funkmaster]

... hmmmm ... just bought some more french wine and drove it home with my brandnew SLK ... gotta love it !!!

[Sword]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 03:47 PM
Tee-hee, this is funny - I won't go far except to point out once again, common debating technique - don't discuss the message, rather discredit the person putting an opinion forward by mocking them and their values.
WTF? Maybe you need to lay off the yayo or something if that is really what you think. I attempted to discredit a person? I mocked someone and their values??

That is perhaps the most asinine thing you have written in a while. I simply pointed out the absurdity of assuming it is all about oil, when throughout history USA has made a point of NOT plundering or robbing countries it has warred with. In fact quite the opposite, USA has gone far above what any other country has in history to rebuild and strengthen it's post-war opponents.

Nothing more than a look at history. You really went off the deep end trying to say it was an attempt to discredit and mock values.

No one else needs to "spin that" as you say. You're spinning in circles all by yourself.

[RawAlex]

Sword, you entire opinion starts from the assumption that someone said the US is going to plunder Iraq.

That isn't the point. The free flow of oil is... putting a friendly regime in charge of the largest oil reserves in the world is a very important part of this whole situation.

As soon as someone says "maybe it's not a good idea" and "all you want is the oil" you jump all the way over to "america plunders the world". That just isn't the case, and nobody suggests it. All you were doing is sarcastically belittling the other person for the opinion, not the opinion itself.

Don't think so? "Maybe you need to lay off the yayo or something" - suggesting my comments aren't important because I have taken something... that's sad - and as a result, you dismiss everything I say without an answer (except to repeat yourself that America is not a plunderer, which I never said it was...)

Try actually dicussing the place of oil in the whole situation, and why Iraq is different from North Korea... don't attack me, look at the idea put forward and come up with real reasons...

Alex

[Sword]

Alex I wasn't trying to be down on you. Nor was I trying to be down to the other person in my post on Netpond. That's my way of saying what I feel. I think to examine how much importance the oil issue is, it was important to consider what happened at the end of other wars. My way of stating it with sarcasm, was just that, sarcasm for the sake of making a point. Not trying to discredit or mock anyone.

[RawAlex]

Sword, I think you misunderstood what Claudia was trying to get at:

It would be, IMHO, foolish to think that the US isn't going to Iraq for the oil.

Yes, they want to get control of the oil (and to get solid control over OPEC) by having a democratic government that is propped up by US dollars of support... to be indirectly in control of the largest reserves around.

No, they are not going to "plunder", but what is the difference between Iraq and North Korea (besides the obvious fact that NK is actually nuclear armed, and Saddam doesn't appear to be) - hint, it's under ground, and it ain't dirt.

What do you think about THIS?

Alex

[Vick]

Can I make a suggestion to all our Canadian friends
Please concentrate on the things you do well - Brewing Excellent Beers :stout: , having Beautiful women and incredible Strip clubs :groucho: , Curling, Cirque du Soleil, Hockey and getting paid in American Dollars for your work/porn efforts

and please stay out of US Politics - the US will get the job done and we'll all be better off for it!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Feb 26 2003, 04:40 PM
Can I make a suggestion to all our Canadian friends
Please concentrate on the things you do well - Brewing Excellent Beers :stout: , having Beautiful women and incredible Strip clubs :groucho: , Curling, Cirque du Soleil, Hockey and getting paid in American Dollars for your work/porn efforts

and please stay out of US Politics - the US will get the job done and we'll all be better off for it!
ditto!

[RawAlex]

Vick, you got it.

:ph34r:

Alex

[JFK]

Originally posted by Vick@Feb 26 2003, 01:40 PM
Can I make a suggestion to all our Canadian friends
Please concentrate on the things you do well - Brewing Excellent Beers :stout: , having Beautiful women and incredible Strip clubs :groucho: , Curling, Cirque du Soleil, Hockey and getting paid in American Dollars for your work/porn efforts

and please stay out of US Politics - the US will get the job done and we'll all be better off for it!
Is this a HINT or what ?? B)

[OldJeff]

Just to add a little fuel to the fire...

France's protest against the war has much more to do with oil than the US's reasons for war. They have much more to lose when the back door oil deals they currently have (in violation of the UN embargo) are ended then the US has to gain.

As far as the gas guzzling SUV's - there are curently 22 million of them regestered in the US about 10% of the total US vehicles. Pick another target.

As for the amount of oil the US buys, Why is this a concern for other countries ? OPEC pumps it out of the ground and we BUY it.

I for one am more than a little tired of people from outside the US bitching about what we do within our borders.

You want to oppose the WAR, fine that is a global concern.

If you do not live and pay taxes in the US you do NOT have any right to

Bitch about what we drive.
Bitch about what we do and do not spend our money on.
Tell us what our tax rates on anything should be.

Bottom line is the US domestic issues are just that, DOMESTIC issues, if your not paying US taxes you have NO right to have an opinion on them.

I can sit here all day long and list what I feel is wrong with the political systems of other countries, however, that is none of my business.

By they way, my real hope for the war in IRAQ is it is simply a stepping stone to put a force in place to keep the entire region under control.

If we are indeed moving towards a single world government I am very much in favor of ours.

[Forest]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Feb 26 2003, 02:03 PM
Just to add a little fuel to the fire...

France's protest against the war has much more to do with oil than the US's reasons for war. They have much more to lose when the back door oil deals they currently have (in violation of the UN embargo) are ended then the US has to gain.


Im glad someone finally brought this up

France's National Petroleum company has a deal with Iraq for cheap oil BELOW market price.

France has the MOST to lose in a war option
they will have to pay full price for oil and that will hurt their ecnomy even more than its hurting now

AND

once we get in there and find all the stuff sadam has been hideing that came from French comnpanies and french scientist....Then we will see why they dont want a war

Serge, where is that pic of you fucking Osama...

you should put Chirac and sadam instead

[sarah_webinc]

well here is the deal. I have french friends..I am not going to starve them. I am also not going to cut off all contact. Also, living in the UK it is a LOT harder to turn your back on French goods than it may be in N. America. Hell, half the sodas in the supermarket are bought over there and imported here because it is cheaper. Train and bus companies are owned by the French. So, I wouldn't be able to go anywhere on public transport, etc.


There are many reasons not to like things France does..the UK can just talkto you about that until you go blue in the face. You all have EVERY right to boycott anything you want to and to a degree I understand but sorrry, I would be a liar if I said I was going to avoid their products. I don't activly search them out either.

There are other countries in this world whose goods I would boycott first.

[Peaches]

I had a date last week with a guy and we drank FRENCH wine, talked about putting a FRENCH drain in my yard, he FRENCH kissed me and he had the personality of a FRENCH fry. I'm boycotting him :okthumb:

Face it - unless we're growing our own crops, walking everywhere (including to conventions - last I checked, planes didn't fly by having all the passengers waving their arms up and down :awinky: ), we're living in a grass hut, going shoeless, watching goats mate for entertainment (Serge is excluded), none of us is using oil for heating our homes, and we have a cotton field and/or sheep in the back yard and we're making our own textiles, we're ALL just as dependent on fossil fuels as the next person. Just because you get 10 MPG better in YOUR car doesn't mean squat.

I have a rule: no one gets to criticize what I wear, what I drive, what I eat or what I live in unless they're paying for it :nyanya:

[wig]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 12:52 PM
I got an idea... let's all boycott IRAQ.

Wait, you all drive big ass SUVs that get about 3 gallons per mile... you couldn't live without the oil.

Too bad, so sad.

Alex
Alex, you truly are a strange bird.

I'm surprised you have not come up with the idea of passing a law that says all motor vehicles must be painted shit brown with no power steering or brakes, no A/C, etc.

That way, they wouldn't be cool and nobody would drive them.

Try thinking outside the box, man. :yowsa:

[MikeW]

As an American, I'm proud to own cars #1 and #3 on the top WORST gas mileage cars produced in the U.S. ;-)))))

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/gasmileage/

:rokk: :rokk: :rokk:



Last edited by MikeW at Feb 26 2003, 06:15 PM

[RawAlex]

Wig, I love cars. I own cars (and a motorcycle) I use to race cars... might do it again some time soon... I read alot of car magazines...

Would you like to join Vick in asking me not to take part in these discussions? I can handle that just fine.

Alex :mellow:

[wig]

Alex,

I am not surprised you do not find my post (and parody of your anti-gun rant) funny. After all, you said humor was not my strong point.

However, to answer your question... nope, i won't ask you to not take part. not my place. it is a free world (for the most part) and I certainly respect anyones right to say what they believe.

In fact, I think the more you post the better. I get a good laugh. :D

[RawAlex]

Nahh, wig, I learned something today... I am going to go pick up a good conservative manual of some sort, and start toeing the party line around here. Having any other ideas than "kill them all, amen" is pretty much not popular around here. There are people I thought could actually see things from both sides, appreciate that there is more than one opinion, instead I find that they are narrow minded... and that they prefer to point and snicker rather than actual think about the world around them.

I have alot of work to do. This isn't productive. 'nuff said.

Alex :zzz:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 03:47 PM
If you don't think it is about oil, then try to figure the difference between North Korea (nuclear armed, firing test missles actively, etc) vs Iraq (might have weapons, nothing found yet except for missles that might be able to go 15 miles further than the UN allows). There is ONE major difference, and it is what is under the ground in the two countries... one is poor and without the ability to feed it's people, and the other sits on the largest oil reserves in the world.

Just assume that the US were going to war with both North Korea and Iraq. Would the order of importance of the action be the only determining factor in which would be attacked first? Since when does one tackle objectives only in their order of their importance?

In my opinion, North Korea is a bigger threat than Iraq and I doubt many in the US administration see it differently. Diplomacy, in the eyes of many, has failed with Iraq. Many Diplomatic efforts will still be made with North Korea.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 04:38 PM
It would be, IMHO, foolish to think that the US isn't going to Iraq for the oil.


Someone who disagrees with your PRESUMPTIONS and ASSUMPTIONS is FOOLISH?

What is the complete chain of thought again? Bush and some of his cabinet members were in the oil industry. Iraq has oil. Therefore, the "war is about oil"? That's a weak chain of logic at best. One cannot even make any logical connections from any assumptions to the conclusion. It is no stronger a case than that.

Remember Bush's infamous "Axis of Evil" statement. Maybe Bush deemed Iraq, Iran, and North Korea an "axis of evil" because he knew Saddam would continue to defy the UN inspectors after which he would be able to "take Iraq's oil" and then use it to fuel further attacks on North Korea and later Iran. That's it, huh? Funny.

[wig]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 06:50 PM
Nahh, wig, I learned something today... I am going to go pick up a good conservative manual of some sort, and start toeing the party line around here. Having any other ideas than "kill them all, amen" is pretty much not popular around here. There are people I thought could actually see things from both sides, appreciate that there is more than one opinion, instead I find that they are narrow minded... and that they prefer to point and snicker rather than actual think about the world around them.

I have alot of work to do. This isn't productive. 'nuff said.

Alex :zzz:
Alex,

See things from both sides?? Like you do?

You easily characterize the ppl "around here" as not "Having any other ideas than "kill them all, amen"

but yet you don't think you are "narrow minded" and "prefer to point and snicker"?

Pot calling the kettle black, IMO.

Get real, man.

[MikeW]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2003, 06:50 PM
There are people I thought could actually see things from both sides, appreciate that there is more than one opinion, instead I find that they are narrow minded.
Come on Alex, you give up too easily... I think you know that most people here CAN SEE things from both sides, but have simply chosen to BE on one side or the other. I personally have strong feelings about the whole thing (this thread/french boycott). Yes I love my country, yes I have the worst gas guzzling American cars on the market, yes I'm a conservative at heart, yes I think Saddam has to go no matter the cost, yes I think the French govt. is in the wrong for not backing us and the U.N. ... yet those feelings don't drive me to boycott the French products that I do consume. It's my RIGHT as an american to choose what I want to consume and if I want to buy french products, then our free marketplace will determine what price I have to pay for it. Do I think any less of the people in this thread that choose to boycott French products? .. of course not, many of them are my dear friends and I repsect their choice, hopefully they will show me the same respect.

:okthumb:

[Vick]

Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 26 2003, 06:03 PM
he ****** kissed me and ....
EWE Yuck, ahh gross
I would NEVER TONGUE KISS A MAN!!!

[Winetalk.com]

hopefully they will show me the same respect.
******************************************

nevaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!

I'll see you on Satrurday with a bottle of
Bellecart-Salmon Champagne you brought the other day and empty it on a palm tree near your house!


Doug will make pics,
Shannon will be nekkid so the photo will be on CNN and all major media networks!

[RawAlex]

Originally posted by MikeW@Feb 26 2003, 07:25 PM

Come on Alex, you give up too easily... I think you know that most people here CAN SEE things from both sides, but have simply chosen to BE on one side or the other. I personally have strong feelings about the whole thing (this thread/french boycott).
Mike, here's the thing: I have complete respect for your choices, and I have total respect for everyones choices as they make them. I respect the opinions of others... and I have strong opinions of my own.

Actually, I just deleted three paragraphs. I realized as I re-read them that all those comments are going to lead to is more of the same...

My opinions are mine, I am not going to change anyone's opinion here, I accept that. I am tired of the snickering and snide comments, it's just not really very much fun. When it comes to this subject, I am saddened to find that the gumbo is very sour indeed.

Colin, I thank you. You taught me something that JR didn't. For that I am grateful.

Alex

[Carrie]

Peaches: I have a rule: no one gets to criticize what I wear, what I drive, what I eat or what I live in unless they're paying for it

Go Peaches!! Well said!

RawAlex: Would you like to join Vick in asking me not to take part in these discussions? I can handle that just fine.

Why not? You asked me - albeit politely - to fuck off... what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
You asked what your job has to do with this - well, quite a bit. You take every opportunity to slam American's habits, luxuries, and policies - yet the majority of money you make is American. If you really are disgusted that much by who or what we are, or what we do, why aren't your convictions strong enough to make you not accept our money?
You say that this isn't about Americans - thank you, Sarettah, for quoting where Alex specifically brought up *American* oil consumption. How about posting statistics on everyone else's oil consumption as well? Hell, how about posting France's oil consumption, and the amount of barrels they get each year from Iraq?

Look, I DO agree with you on many points. Everyone should use less oil. But face the facts, man. This isn't 1840. We're not riding one mile to the corner store on a horse to get our groceries and spending an hour catching up on the latest town gossip with our best friend, the grocer.
This is 2003. To get anywhere, you need a car. There are laws that prohibit you from carrying small children in a car without massive space-consuming carseats.
How do you propose that I get my two 35-lb children and their 20-lb huge carseats to the grocery store that is miles and miles away, and get back with a week's worth of groceries, without my Jeep? I'm sorry, but the carseats alone won't fit into the 240SX SE, nevermind the kids and the groceries. Yeah, it's a lot better on gas, and it's a hell of a lot more fun to drive, but it just doesn't get the job done.

You love to bash SUVs - what's the alternative? That no one has children, that no one has family gatherings or outings? If we didn't have my Jeep, when my family of 4 and my 2 parents wanted to go out to celebrate something, we'd have to take two vehicles. That's wasting even more precious oil than the Jeep does.

Other ways to save resources? Okay, how about solar panels on your house? Sorry... can't afford them. How about an underground house? I'd love to have one and my father even has designs for one, but sorry - can't afford that either. I've got it - windmills. Nope, can't afford the land to put them on and can't afford the equipment for that either.

I do what I can... I don't make unnecessary trips to the grocery store, I do all of my weekly errands at once. I turn off the lights in empty rooms. I wait until my laundry will completely fill the washer before running that machine. I usually take showers instead of baths. But things like that aren't enough for you - you've identified one product - the SUV, the ultimate "vehicle of destruction" for the Liberals, speaking of toeing the party line - and declared that everyone should stop using it without a thought as to those who NEED it.

Where are the majority of SUVs sold? I'd be willing to bet that it's in states where the weather demands a vehicle with 4WD, like Syracuse New York, which gets more snow annually than Siberia, and which is where I was living when the Jeep was purchased.
Who are the majority of people who buy SUVs? Again, I'd be willing to bet that it's FAMILIES or people with two or more children.
Sure, there are guys out there buying SUVs just because they look cool or just because they can - but lumping us all together as purposefully wasteful insensitive bastards is just as bad as lumping together all content providers just because a few of them resell pics they're not licensed to sell.

And all of this bullshit of "It's all about the oil" - give it a break!
We were attacked on September 11th, 2001. On our own soil. What is so frigging wrong about us putting our foot down and saying enough is enough? Americans have been attacked all over the globe for far too long and that was the last straw. Bush has made it quite simple - the terrorists have gotten away with their activities long enough, it's time someone did something about it. THAT is what this is about.
Saddam Hussein is a terrorist. He kills his OWN people. He has different weapons to use against people - bombs, missiles, chemical weapons - and he has shown that he's not against using them for no particular reason other than a stray air molecule brushed one of his nosehairs. If you listened to his interview with Dan Rather tonight, he made it quite clear that he intends to follow the "rules of Allah" to the letter - do you know what those rules are? The most important one to this discussion is that anyone who does not pray to Allah is an infidel, and all infidels should be killed. Does that not strike home a little bit? I haven't seen you wearing a turban lately.

He also made it very clear that once we attack Iraq, he's going to attack us on our own soil. It was a clever threat surrounded with artful language, but it was clear. How can he do that if he hasn't prepared for it already? He doesn't have anything that could reach us if launched from Iraq, but we do know that he has nerve gas that takes one single drop to kill a man... he's got 4 friggin TONS of the shit.
Colin Powell clearly laid out what Hussein has, and what he's hiding from us. Who do you believe? Powell or Hussein?

This isn't about oil. It's about turning the other cheek so many times that you don't have a cheek to turn anymore. It's about wiping out an obvious threat before it becomes an even bigger threat - not just to the US, but to the entire world.

So no, I won't politely fuck off... but I guess I will refrain from joking with you again since you seem to have totally lost your sense of humor.

[Vick]

could I suggest that all you wine drinkers give up your ****** wines and switch to Red Breast Whiskey
I don't usually enjoy Whiskey and this is the most amazing drink, serious 4 star
A single, unblended, Pure Pot Still, Irish Whiskey, triple distilled and matured in Oak Casks for 12 years
I drink it neat with a coke back
Highly recommended!!! I had a hard time finding it but it is worth it

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Vick@Feb 27 2003, 12:11 AM
could I suggest that all you wine drinkers give up your ****** wines and switch to Red Breast Whiskey
I don't usually enjoy Whiskey and this is the most amazing drink, serious 4 star
A single, unblended, Pure Pot Still, Irish Whiskey, triple distilled and matured in Oak Casks for 12 years
I drink it neat with a coke back
Highly recommended!!! I had a hard time finding it but it is worth it
I think MikeW brought me a bottle of it too!

He hooks me on hard liquor, so he could enjoy the French wines
;-))))

[PornoDoggy]

I'm just not sure what I think is dumber ... the idea that it's all about oil for our gas-guzzling S.U.V.s, or the "we were attacked on 9/11, and he's a terrorist, and he's a Muslim, so we gotta attack him" mentality.

But Alex, if the U.S. was going to go to war over oil riddle me this ... why the fuck did we ever leave Kuwait? Get real - if oil was all we wanted we'd end the sanctions and flood the country with Haliburton executives and Starbucks franchises - and he'd accept them. Saddam Hussein is as much of a fundamentalist Islamist as John Ashcroft is a convert to Hasidism. And if the U.S. were inclined to go to war for oil, I think we could find significant quantities of it much closer to home. Better beer, too ....

Carrie, only the predisposed or truly naive would believe that Saddam Hussien's claims of Islamic purity as uttered to Dan Rather were anything other than posturing. A number of the folks his terrorist regime has killed off include Islamic fundamentalists. As far as him killing his own people, well, jeez, we've had a lot of friends throughout the years who've done that - is that what compassionate conservatism is? He was killing his own people just as proficiently back when he was our ally against Iran. Are we going to renoucnce that kind of short sighted policy? Only one American President - Jimmy Carter - has ever tried to distance us from that kind of policy. Can I assume that Bush & Co. have decided Carter was right?

And you're angry because Saddam said he's going to strike back why? What the hell was he supposed to say - "Oh, golly gee Dan, if you blokes come over here to my country and start a war, well, I wish you wouldn't, but I assure you I'm going to be sporting about it and play by the rules?" In case you haven't noticed those are U.S. troops piling up on his borders. He's going to play every game in the book to attempt to persuade American public opinion that this war is a mistake. If he thinks that threatening America is a way to do that he's far stupider than I thought - but that's not the audience he was playing to. Saddam knows exactly what the people in Homeland Security knows - the alQaida types (remember alQaida?) will use our war with their pther enemy - Iraq - as recruiting fodder, and probably strike at us here and around the globe. They were going to do that anyway, but using the war in Iraq as an excuse is very effective propaganda for them.

[Almighty Colin]

PD,

Nice post.

What are your thoughts ON the causes of the war?

It was a good interview. Saddam continues to be a world-class politician.

[Almighty Colin]

Carrie,

I like your points about SUVs and consumptions.

Syracuse, "more Snow than Siberia". I lived there for 6 years. (Syracuse, not Siberia)

[MikeW]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Feb 26 2003, 11:29 PM
I'll see you on Satrurday with a bottle of
Bellecart-Salmon Champagne you brought the other day and empty it on a palm tree near your house!


Doug will make pics,
Shannon will be nekkid so the photo will be on CNN and all major media networks!
hahahahaha, my palms need a good watering!!

:nyanya:

[Winetalk.com]

holy shit!!!

On the Russian board,
my declaration of War with France turned into...
the Civil War,
holy moly!

To calm the tensions around the globe and adult webmasters chat boards,
I suggest:
Let's unban French wines! :inlove:

[Torone]

Originally posted by sarettah@Feb 26 2003, 12:47 PM
I'm not sure of the year, but a ways back, France lost most of their Vineyards, can't remember if teh cause was drought or disease or some other form of pestilence... But,

At that time, virtually all of France's vineyards were replanted with cuttings from California Vineyards (makes sense since most of California Vineyards were started with French Cuttings).. So, when you drink French Wine, you are actually drinking the same grape as California....

Save yourself the import fees and be Patriotic at the same time...

Drink California Wine !!!!

If you want to help out one of our staunchest Allies...

Drink Australian Wine !!!!

Boycott the French Wines !!!! Dump them down the drain....

Besides if you go experiment a bit, you will find some really really excellent California Wines on the shelfs at $7.00 a bottle.......

Love that Gundlach Bundschu... Sonoma Valley.... Yummmmmmmmmmmm
I'm all for boycotting France. I'm all for buying wine from our truly great friends, Australia. I draw the line, however, at The People's Republic of California. I won't subsidize Gov. Grey Dufus... :nyanya:

[Torone]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Feb 26 2003, 01:17 PM
Can't think of one damned thing I buy that comes from France anyhow!!!
Gillette? Bic?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Torone@Feb 27 2003, 08:07 AM
Gillette?
Huh? Boston is in France?

[Torone]

Originally posted by Colin+Feb 27 2003, 08:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Feb 27 2003, 08:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Torone@Feb 27 2003, 08:07 AM
Gillette?
Huh? Boston is in France?[/b][/quote]
Unless things have changed, Gillette used to be a French company (as best I can remember).

[Sword]

Dammit I missed the Saddam interview and I really wanted to see it. Anyone know if it is going to be on again?

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Colin@Feb 27 2003, 05:53 AM
PD,

Nice post.

What are your thoughts ON the causes of the war?

It was a good interview. Saddam continues to be a world-class politician.
Colin, my thoughts on the war are very simple.

Saddam Hussein reached an agreement with the United Nations to settle the Gulf War 13 years ago. He continues to refuse to comply, or provide proof of compliance, with the agreements he reached. That refusal cannot be tolerated and the U.N. remain something other than the joke that the League of Nations became.

The difficult situation here is that the U.S. can accomplish exactly what we allege we are concerned Saddam is doing by acting unilaterally. We have a history of opposing unilateral action. The quote I posted in another thread - "We believe these actions to have been taken in error, for we do not accept the use of force as a wise or proper instrument for the settlement of international disputes." - were not uttered by some "pinko pussy" Democrati" President - that was Eisenhower's response to uniltateral Franco/British action in the Middle East.

I think Saddam has to go in order to ensure the rule of international law. I recognize that there are those more inclinded to admiration of Bismark than of Marshall who won't agree with that. I got no problem with that.



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[AltMasters]

I made some Spagetti tonight and also made some French bread.

Am I guilty?

:bjump:

But..I dunno if I buy anything thats French.
What do they make or is everything imported over there from the US?

[Carrie]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 27 2003, 01:15 AM
And you're angry because Saddam said he's going to strike back why?
I'm not angry, I'm frightened. :(
He truly made it sound as if things are already in place - and his son's comments only serve to back that up. (Sure, it could just all be posturing, but I honestly don't think it is.)
Norfolk Naval Base is only a few miles away... if he *did* have long-range missiles, we'd be one of the first to go. Since he doesn't, it makes me even more uncertain and worried, thinking of the things that he could've gotten in here over the past few years.
I've just got this realllll bad feeling and I can't shake it. The interview brought it right up to the front of my mind. For some reason, I'm thinking Philadelphia is going to be a bad place to be once the war starts. I know there are more strategic places to strike, but Philly just keeps coming to mind.
The whole thing just makes me sick with worry, and what's worse is that I don't know what to expect and can't make any preparations to protect the boys whatsoever. :(

[PornoDoggy]

I feel a little foolish, because fear didn't occur to me.

I live in a town of 1600 8 miles from a town of 17,500. We're 4 hours from St. Louis and 5 1/2 from Chicago. That kind of isolation seems pretty protective until your girlfriend brings home all the information about her required smallpx vaccine - she's one of the Nursing Supervisors at the local hospital. So then, like a dumbshit, you've got go read up on a little epidemiology ... so much for the comfort of living in the country.

My two youngest daughters and my grandson live in St. Louis, and the talking heads on television mention it every time they discuss a possible terrorist attack on a national monument or on the "heartland." Sometimes I worry - that's a lie, I ALWAYS worry - about them. That they'll get carjacked, that they'll get hit by a drunk driver while crossing the street, that some fuckwad will exercise his 2nd Ammendment rights to an automatic weapon somewhere near my grandson's school, that my daughters will meet a guy just like I was at their age ... all the dangers of having kids. Now I worry about the possibility of a terrorist attack too.

The frustrating thing about this war is that, while necessary, it won't do anything against the terrorists who threaten America except egg them on and recruit new bodies for them. While I am not particularly concerned about Iraqi sleepers, there are plenty more folks that can regard this as an attack on their people, and do stupid, horrible things. That frightens me more.

I remember being scared shitless as a 9 year old during the Cuban Missle Crisis - but that was over and gone after two weeks. This is different. I'm sorry you're frightened. I'm sorry I'm frightened. But we're going to war. People get frightened when they go to war. Innocent civilians get frightened when we go to war. We just aren't used to being equally afraid.

My children are adults, and I'm still scared for them. I can only imagine how I'd feel if they were still little and all this was going on.

But can you imagine what it's like to be in Baghdad right now?



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[Almighty Colin]

What would be the goal of a boycott of French products? I think a boycott of French products would be more likely to solidify French opinion than break it.

[Almighty Colin]

I'm not afraid at all right now. Don't know why. I guess I assume terrorists :ph34r: are already using their maximum capabilities. I don't think terrorists are waiting for anything. If they could do something, they'd do it right now.

(Nods to Afghani president Karzai on this thought)

[originalheather]

I don't think terrorists are waiting for anything. If they could do something, they'd do it right now

Wish I could say that I thought that was true.

The strange thing is, we're supposedly about to go to war any second, right?

Then tell me why no one is checking my passport at the border anymore? We're supposed to be at a stage of "red alert" or something akin to that at the border crossing. A month ago, my trunk was still being opened, I'd be questioned as to what I was doing in Mexico, what I was planning to do in the US, etc. They at least made sure I was American before waving me through.

Now, I am American, but it's not that obvious, since half the Customs guys speak Spanish to me when I drive up. They're assuming that I'm Mexican until I open my mouth, but the last 4 times I've crossed, I haven't even had to speak.

My passport was issued in Guadalajara as a replacement, so it's not a laser passport, it looks funny. I am 100 pounds lighter than I was in the picture and my hair is a different color, so from looking at that pic from 3 feet away I doubt it even looks like me.

I've been seeing Mexicans getting waved through as well without the Customs agents swiping their visas to make sure they're real. It would be a real stretch to look at me and assume I'm from the Middle East, but one thing I remember thinking while looking at the footage during Desert Storm was, "Damn, these guys look Mexican".

If we're at war, why aren't we checking who's slipping across the border? Seems to me that San Ysidro, being the world's busiest border crossing, would be an excellent way for terrorists to get into the US.

I don't feel too safe. I doubt that Mexico would be much of a terrorist target, but I'm only 10 miles from the States as the crow flies. San Diego, with its multitude of military bases, is a juicy target for terrorists.

I guess that US Customs has given in to the pressure of people wanting a quick border crossing rather than acting as the first point of defense for America. I don't like long border crossings, but they don't open all the gates ever, better to have more agents and check everyone the way they did after 9/11 than to just wave everyone through for expediency's sake.

[Peaches]

Geeze, Heather - that's bizarre :(

[Almighty Colin]

Heather,

That's FASCINATING that your passport wasn't checked. I would have never guessed that.

Isn't it true that there are plenty of terrorists that have the will to partake in terrorist actions here in the US? Where are they? I just can't believe that terrorists only plan to attack America once a decade. I think that's just the best they can do and that they are always trying.

I believe more in an Osama (for example) trying to get some shot off at the US than an Osama waiting for the right timing.

There are plenty of people willing to blow themselves up for a cause but not that many of them that have the will, the money, the resources, and from their point of view the good fortune to make it happen. Why go through all the trouble to get to America when one can just take a bus to Israel, walk into a shopping mall and blow yourself up hence assuring everlasting happiness in the after-life and martyrdom monetary payments to mother.

There will be more terrorist attacks here in America but I think their ability is for the most part limited to the above and when they happen to get lucky. I think one really needs the luck factor to play out and is the problem of trying to plan for specific dates and times.

What was the significance of September 11? Just a random day when they could happen to do it.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Colin@Feb 28 2003, 10:11 AM
What was the significance of September 11? Just a random day when they could happen to do it.
It was 9/11... 911... our own code for emergency; something we use only when in absolute fear and helplessness.
Specifically picked on that date for the significance of the numbers and what they mean to *us*, the victims.

[Carrie]

Heather, your report from the border doesn't make me feel any better. *L* It does make me wonder though why people choose to go across the desert and sneak in when crossing through the gates sounds so simple? I would guess that this is part of the new love affair between Bush and Fox - and it doesn't look like either America nor Mexico are benefitting from the lax security.

PD - Castlehawke came home with a similar paper the week before last. Not smallpox vaccinations, but an 8-page printout that they made all of the Lockheed Martin employees take home regarding evacuation, emergency planning and "creating a disaster plan", and how to assemble a disaster kit with the most comprehensive list of things to put in it that I've ever seen (nearly 4 pages).
There's a close copy of it here on FEMA's site:
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fdsk.pdf

Lockheed is sending home these printouts.
City officials and emergency personnel are being "advised" or even "required" to get smallpox vaccinations.
But don't worry... heavy plastic sheeting and duct tape will save you. Oh never mind... we're reducing the threat level. Just go back to what you were doing and don't think about any of this...
*sigh*

[PornoDoggy]

I have as much faith in the government's advice about duct tape and plastic sheeting as I did in the drills we used to have in grade school to "survive" a nuclear attack.

Come to think of it, Tom Ridge does kinda look like that turtle ... :D

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Carrie+Mar 1 2003, 02:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Carrie @ Mar 1 2003, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Colin@Feb 28 2003, 10:11 AM
What was the significance of September 11? Just a random day when they could happen to do it.
It was 9/11... 911... our own code for emergency; something we use only when in absolute fear and helplessness.
Specifically picked on that date for the significance of the numbers and what they mean to *us*, the victims.[/b][/quote]
How do you know that it it was "Specifically picked on that date for the significance of the numbers and what they mean to *us*"? Speculation or other?

[Rolo]

The boycot of France have spread to Denmark:

http://hyggestedet.dk/aagespizza/ :yowsa:

[Forest]

Great link Rolo!