Dvd Production , Pressing & Distribution

[Hooper]

We're looking into selling some of our custom stuff on the dvd market but honestly dont even know where to begin. We've got the e-distribution all locked up but does anybody know where we might go for actual physical production, duplication, boxing and non-internet distribution of the dvd's themselves?

Any help would be appreciated.

[sextoyking]

Hooper,

you can always find good sources that will make your dvd's for you, etc in avn mag.

if you need someone to box, ship them to customers, let me know.

We drop ship for clients all the time.

thanks

Todd

[ShannonRush]

Hooper,

Try East Coast Distributors. They do most of the Adult market. You can always find them in AVN.

[Winetalk.com]

Hooper, back to basics?

interesting....

[heqdvd]

If you have $$$ to burn, you can get really good 40X DVD Duplicators for under $2,000 -


http://www.octave.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cg...bchoice_2/Bravo (http://www.octave.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi/id/12.141.16.41-1042493490-0/choice/Duplicators/subchoice_1/Primera/subchoice_2/Bravo)

[Hooper]

we have a lot or requests every day for dvd's containing the slutbus videos and expect a higher demand for the new ryans beachhouse.. it suprised me.

i'm no zipcode expert though so we're a bit wary about entering that market.

[heqdvd]

that's kind of a cryptic message there...
good if there's demand though.


you mean you don't want to send out DVD's for fear of being ripped off?

where's your preview site?

[Hooper]

we dont want to send dvd's because we are too pretty for prison.

nothin cryptic about that ;-))

the basics of producing a dvd, screen printing them, casing them and physically duplicating it arent brain surgery... and as far as finding people willing to do distribution via the internet that's pretty easy too.

it's finding somebody else to do it ALL for you that is hard.

[heqdvd]

gottcha

yeah like I make pennies on each DVD sale, so I hear you.
I got this guy at Direct that says once I reach 10 DVDs, he covers that as part as a deal...


we'll see



Last edited by heqdvd at Jan 13 2003, 05:24 PM

[*KK*]

Hooper! Why bother going to the expense and risk with inventory, physical duplication etc????

Sell the non internet rights to your products, let someone else handle the work that does it, and then go on.

If you need some ideas on who to talk to, email me ---

[KBpimps]

Hoop I got your guy at x2k.net steve bugbee

call me and I'll hook you up or email me back

[Mutt]

you'll get ripped off on non-Internet rights i fear Hooper. Dunno about the cable/satellite market but DVD/VHS guys are .......um.............. maybe if u can find somebody in THIS industry who has experience in the OTHER porn biz that would be a good place to start. Maybe the Homegrown guys could advise you.

This is the new trend, Ox and Nasty are selling their content on DVD, so is California Pimp. I think it's way overrated, solid DVD/VHS title sells 2,000 copies, you might get 10 bucks apiece from the distributor which they will take their sweet time paying out. You can sell direct though to the big online adult video retailers, cut out the middleman.

Good thing is that DVD's are dirt cheap to manufacture.

[slavdogg]

mutt, i wouldnt say its a new trend.
older gonzo and amateur sites have been doing this for years.

besides the extra money, its a great way to cross market and brand the sites outside the web channels.

[Mutt]

which ones slav? CDGirls? No it can't hurt that's for sure, if you have the content might as well maximise everything u can get out of it.

Gonzo. Get me that domain name! :groucho:

[Monk]

http://www.nutbustervideo.com/store.cgi

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Mutt@Jan 13 2003, 05:00 PM
you'll get ripped off on non-Internet rights i fear Hooper. Dunno about the cable/satellite market but DVD/VHS guys are .......um.............. maybe if u can find somebody in THIS industry who has experience in the OTHER porn biz that would be a good place to start.
But mutt, there's no reason for him to go to the video guys to do this. He needs to go to the guys that own giant chains of adult stores and do this sort of thing, or the guys that push thousands of dvds on late night infomercials to do this thing.

Business people with distribution in place, as opposed to a bunch of ragged out, doped up clueless losers like the ones I saw at the Venetian Friday...

[Mutt]

well if that's possible it's better. Like I said, you can sell direct to the big online adult DVD sellers like AdultDVDEmpire, Gamelink etc , not sure how easy it is to get set up with the big video store chains. There are only a few XXX video distributors who control most of the business, this is what i hear anyway. Not sure how the big mainstream stores that do carry adult titles i.e. Towers, Virgin buy their adult product - through these big XXX distributors or from the individual companies or smaller sub distributors spread out over the country.

[Plugger]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jan 13 2003, 02:00 PM
it's finding somebody else to do it ALL for you that is hard.
Give us a few more weeks and we hope to do just that, all of it. Edit, master, burn, sell on-line, and thru the distributors to the stores. to tell the truth, working out all of the legal aspects is taking all of the time. Damn lawyers :headwall:

PS

I am too pretty for jail too :P

[Hooper]

Did you see anything in my question aside from an opportunity to spam plugger?

I'm not looking for somebody who "might someday maybe have an opportunity available to individual amateurs"... i have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of exclusive high quality reality content that i'm looking for a home for... 80% of which has never been seen.

Sorry if i confused you with our "amateur" status :D

[Plugger]

Originally posted by Hooper@Jan 13 2003, 11:00 AM
does anybody know where we might go for actual physical production, duplication, boxing and non-internet distribution of the dvd's themselves?

Any help would be appreciated.



it's finding somebody else to do it ALL for you that is hard.

Give us a few more weeks and we hope to do just that, all of it. Edit, master, burn, sell on-line, and thru the distributors to the stores.

I'm not looking for somebody who "might someday maybe have an opportunity available to individual amateurs"... i have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of exclusive high quality reality content that i'm looking for a home for... 80% of which has never been seen.


Did I miss something? So what exactly are you looking for? Now I am confused :angry:

who said amateur anyway?

[homegrownmof]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jan 13 2003, 08:35 PM

But mutt, there's no reason for him to go to the video guys to do this. He needs to go to the guys that own giant chains of adult stores and do this sort of thing, or the guys that push thousands of dvds on late night infomercials to do this thing.

Business people with distribution in place, as opposed to a bunch of ragged out, doped up clueless losers like the ones I saw at the Venetian Friday...

KK you are a world class shit talker. How are you an authority on the "video guys"?

What giant adult video chain are you referring to? The mythical one? The largest adult vid chain has maybe 70+ stores. There are mainstream chains that carry adult but they cater to the $2- $3.50 product. Oh and did I forget to mention they have 1,000s of titles to choose from every month?

Mutt is correct when he says a few of the largest adult "video guys" control distribution to the Towers and Virgins. Do you think they want some unknown dude named Hooper (much as I respect you and your co. Hooper) calling up and saying "hey I got this great bunch of DVDs, well four actually, that I want you to buy for $10 each"? Click.

Plugger you are out of your league.

Back to KK- "ragged out, doped up clueless losers"? You sound bitter. Do you know all those "video guys" personally? The first time I met you at the Xpays/Homegrown 4:20 breakfast in Vegas a few years back you looked a little worse for wear.

Back to Hooper. It is not easy to break into mass store dist. for DVDs and VHS- too much product, lots selling at catalog price of $1- $2.50. The big dist don't want the little producers- too much hassle to deal with even more product codes, barcodes, inventory, etc. They just don't give a shit. You are either an established player or not. Look at Mike South- he bounces around trying to find a better dist deal and they just aren't there.

No dist company wants to do all the leg work to sell your product and give you the $$$ you are probably looking for. Now if you had a Pam and Tommy Lee type tape it is a different story.

Too much supply today feeding limited demand.

[Plugger]

Originally posted by homegrownmof@Jan 14 2003, 05:51 PM
Plugger you are out of your league.


That may be true, however, at least I got my videos in the stores thru major distributors like GVA. I started in the video side of the business; made videos, and sold them to stores. Gonna be in the stores again . . . :okthumb:

[Mutt]

tough tough business selling adult video product to retailers. Somebody on GFY told me a top selling adult title, like Hustler's Barely Legal series, sells about 5-7000 units now. Average titles 2,000-2,500. Crappy stuff i guess even less.

Sorta like the mainstream movie business, you can produce a movie, but the chances of getting a good distributor to get your movies in theaters are minimal. UNLESS what you have is so good that it catches somebody's attention.

[Hooper]

moffet... what if i'm not looking to get our dvd's on store shelves?

can you recommend where i might look for assistance with taking already edited footage to dvd's that are distributed only via e-stores like todd's? i've got that distribution chain pretty locked up since i am friends with enough store owners... but i dont want to be involved with the process of duplication, packaging etc..etc..

what are your thoughst on that?

and if we did want to get our videos on shelves, you say we need a *lot* of titles to get their attention.. how much do you think is alot?

plugger, sorry if i came off as an asshole... but i actually am. just wasnt looking for "it can help someday" kinda answers.



Last edited by Hooper at Jan 14 2003, 11:37 PM

[Plugger]

No problem Hooper, I understand. Today is today, and too many people are talking about a tommorrow that will never come. If, and when, I can help you I will.

[*KK*]

wow mof, tell us how you really feel.

If you want to be categorized with the robs, lizzies, max's and jim's of the video world, by all means go ahead.

Cause you know what *I* see when *I* look at them? When I see them strutting thru the Venetian in next to nothing but their makeup, with their oh so want to be important suitcase pimps?

I see losers.

You want to know what the staff at the Venetian thinks of them? Try sitting at a blackjack table after OUR show is over and they are cruising the hotel. It's as different as night and day.

When I hear about how chicks pay their own travel expenses to fly to LA and then get paid 250-300 bucks to do a shoot, they pay for their own (hopefully real) health tests, oh and let's not forget the article mutt put up a couple days ago --

no toilet paper, dirty sheets, filty locations...

You want to call yourself a video guy? BY all means GO ahead.

Let's take a room full of video guys and a room full of internet guys. We can either take it best for best -- our RJBs, CEs, CENs, ARSs against THEIR best -- or we can take our middle against their middle. Either way, they come out losing horribly.

The level of class, especially in public, exhibited by the video guys, is a black mark on the entire business. Including internet.

And you know what? I'm not a porn star, it doesn't matter how I look so long as my ass and my nipples are covered up and I'm not walking around the hotel lobby looking for coke and hookers.

[*KK*]

And before you get hopping on that one mof, let me add this -- Vivid, Wicked, the BUSINESSES -- which *I* would have included you guys in, since I really like Farrell, even tho I barely know you -- who are run like businesses on both the internet and the video side, they are NOT what I am talking about.

[Monk]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jan 15 2003, 12:58 AM
so long as my ass and my nipples are covered up

....barely.....

http://www.oprano.com/reporter/010803b/DSC01832.JPG

:D

[homegrownmof]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jan 15 2003, 01:02 AM
And before you get hopping on that one mof, let me add this -- Vivid, Wicked, the BUSINESSES -- which *I* would have included you guys in, since I really like Farrell, even tho I barely know you -- who are run like businesses on both the internet and the video side, they are NOT what I am talking about.
Well in that case...

KK let's compare apples to apples. When Hooper inquired about DVD dist. I assumed he, being an intelligent individual, was looking for a reputable company. Not a suitcase pimp.

I agree with you- there are bad apples in the vid biz, but there are also bad apples in the internet side.

When "internet people" don't clarify who they are referring to when they say "video guys" I take offense. I don't want to be categorized with the suitcase pimps nor do I want people getting the impression that the vid biz is entirely comprised of suitcase pimps.

You want to compare "our best against their best"? That is ludicrous. You want to compare Video biz pioneers that went to jail for our first amendment rights? Compare Steve Hirsch of Vivid and his business acumen? Big deal you list a few internet companies that are still basking in the go-go days of the mid-late 90s. What happens when a new Meese commission comes along? They'll all be offshore fighting for themselves- oh wait they already are.

I don't even know why I bothered with your post. Talking about no toilet paper and doing coke as compared to the class of RJB. What? Mayebe if you spent a little less time riding the "video side's" jock (while kissing the internet side's ass) you would see there are opportunities for you.

You are a savvy, highly capable individual. I would figure someone like you could actually do quite well rescuing one of these wayward video companies by taking over their web operations. They have mountains of content that one day they will figure out how to capitalize on. Until then I will sleep soundly knowing that they aren't doing so .


Hooper, if you still have the patience to be reading this thread, I would suggest you might talk to my DVD manufacturer. He might be interested in drop shipping your orders.

[*KK*]

well mof, I am glad we have gotten the personal side of it out of the way, for starters.

Personally, I have no interest at the moment in rescuing anyone -- most people have no desire to be rescued either. A few companies with decent foresight -- Vivid, Wicked, you guys -- as I ALREADY mentioned -- were smart enough to see the forest and the trees and get into it when the time was right and the ROI was tops. Jenna is another one who's played it very smartly, whether on her own or with the help of her associates is irrelevant.

As for your comments regarding people running for the hills if a Meese Commission type situation occurred, funny, I remember a couple of years ago the same RJB we're talking about, spending massive money to fight the FTC, perhaps a more powerful body than Meese even. Oh, and wait, they weren't the only ones to do so.

And considering the internet side has paid my bills for some years now, of course I am biased. I've been to shoots, for internet, and what I've seen is not at all reminiscent of what I seem to read repeatedly about the video business. Then you couple that with what I see at shows, and it is some pretty sad evidence.

Yes, there are bad apples everywhere, that's not the point either.

You somehow set yourself up on the receiving end of my comments, when they weren't in any way directed at you personally, but I'll leave that alone as well, since I'm still not sure why you did it.

In any case, this discussion is over as far as I am concerned. It's a shame it turned into what it did to start with.

[Hooper]

Hooper, if you still have the patience to be reading this thread, I would suggest you might talk to my DVD manufacturer. He might be interested in drop shipping your orders.

well i'd be interested in talking to him/her.. if you dont mind sharing my email is hooper@clickfeel.com

thanks.

[heqdvd]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jan 15 2003, 12:58 AM
I see losers.



You want to call yourself a video guy? BY all means GO ahead.

Let's take a room full of video guys and a room full of internet guys. We can either take it best for best -- our RJBs, CEs, CENs, ARSs against THEIR best -- or we can take our middle against their middle. Either way, they come out losing horribly.

The level of class, especially in public, exhibited by the video guys, is a black mark on the entire business. Including internet.

I make hour and half long movies, not "vids". I have been a "legitmate" webmasters for ad agencies, corps, etc. Just a refernce point.

Anyone who actually sits down and tried to create something that will keeps erotic interest high for a long period of time will realize how hard it is.


Who the hell cares about personalities? Certainly not "adult" webmasters.

Personality issues - No one who was a "vid" producer or "vid" webmasters ever ripped me off form DVDs or clips on distributors sites. Know who did -
"webmasters" with faked CCs and PayPal scams. Like the ones who sign up for $6.99 three day trials and attempt to download the whole site for AVS "schemes".

WHAT DOES WEBMASTER REALLY MEAN?:
Does it mean:

"I have bought content, MSFrontPage and affiliates. I can cut and past JS code from Mike's Script Site..."

This seems more like the category of "porn peddler", like the guys who used to sell old VCR dups on 42 street, though don't want to get personal here.

If you have created full-length movies, then knock performers and producers.


And for the 106th time, it was a movie call "Deep Thoat" that spawned the American Porn Industry. Not jpegs bought for 50 cents each on sale.



Last edited by heqdvd at Jan 16 2003, 11:14 AM

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by homegrownmof+Jan 14 2003, 08:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (homegrownmof @ Jan 14 2003, 08:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--*KK*@Jan 13 2003, 08:35 PM

But mutt, there's no reason for him to go to the video guys to do this. He needs to go to the guys that own giant chains of adult stores and do this sort of thing, or the guys that push thousands of dvds on late night infomercials to do this thing.

Business people with distribution in place, as opposed to a bunch of ragged out, doped up clueless losers like the ones I saw at the Venetian Friday...

KK you are a world class shit talker. How are you an authority on the "video guys"?

What giant adult video chain are you referring to? The mythical one? The largest adult vid chain has maybe 70+ stores. There are mainstream chains that carry adult but they cater to the $2- $3.50 product. Oh and did I forget to mention they have 1,000s of titles to choose from every month?

Mutt is correct when he says a few of the largest adult "video guys" control distribution to the Towers and Virgins. Do you think they want some unknown dude named Hooper (much as I respect you and your co. Hooper) calling up and saying "hey I got this great bunch of DVDs, well four actually, that I want you to buy for $10 each"? Click.

Plugger you are out of your league.

Back to KK- "ragged out, doped up clueless losers"? You sound bitter. Do you know all those "video guys" personally? The first time I met you at the Xpays/Homegrown 4:20 breakfast in Vegas a few years back you looked a little worse for wear.

Back to Hooper. It is not easy to break into mass store dist. for DVDs and VHS- too much product, lots selling at catalog price of $1- $2.50. The big dist don't want the little producers- too much hassle to deal with even more product codes, barcodes, inventory, etc. They just don't give a shit. You are either an established player or not. Look at Mike South- he bounces around trying to find a better dist deal and they just aren't there.

No dist company wants to do all the leg work to sell your product and give you the $$$ you are probably looking for. Now if you had a Pam and Tommy Lee type tape it is a different story.

Too much supply today feeding limited demand.[/b][/quote]
He's right Hooper. He would certainly know.

We were happy to get any distrubtion into the rental market even if we made less on copies strictly for the direct catalogue sales or a place to promote other upsell products.

I'm not so sure I'd bother getting into DVD right now unless I was producing a niche and already had a client base to sell to.

If I had a bunch of older content I think I'd build lease galleries and offer it to webmasters. Did you read those past discussions on leased galleries we were having?

A lot of people want them if they're affordable. ON several webmasters boards many said they'd consider a reduce price on leased galleries and if it had an upsell componet built in even better.

Dianna

[homegrownmof]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Jan 16 2003, 12:45 PM

We were happy to get any distrubtion into the rental market even if we made less on copies strictly for the direct catalogue sales or a place to promote other upsell products.


If I had a bunch of older content I think I'd build lease galleries and offer it to webmasters. Did you read those past discussions on leased galleries we were having?

A lot of people want them if they're affordable. ON several webmasters boards many said they'd consider a reduce price on leased galleries and if it had an upsell componet built in even better.

Dianna
Dianna,

Very well stated. I have talked to a bunch of webmasters that also produce content who are looking for new revenue streams. They want to get into the video market or the DVD market and I tell them that unless you are doing it the right way and you already have some sales outlets locked up it's not worth the hassle.

Hooper, mail on the way...

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by homegrownmof+Jan 16 2003, 02:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (homegrownmof @ Jan 16 2003, 02:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dianna Vesta@Jan 16 2003, 12:45 PM

We were happy to get any distrubtion into the rental market even if we made less on copies strictly for the direct catalogue sales or a place to promote other upsell products.


If I had a bunch of older content I think I'd build lease galleries and offer it to webmasters. Did you read those past discussions on leased galleries we were having?

A lot of people want them if they're affordable. ON several webmasters boards many said they'd consider a reduce price on leased galleries and if it had an upsell componet built in even better.

Dianna
Dianna,

Very well stated. I have talked to a bunch of webmasters that also produce content who are looking for new revenue streams. They want to get into the video market or the DVD market and I tell them that unless you are doing it the right way and you already have some sales outlets locked up it's not worth the hassle.

Hooper, mail on the way...[/b][/quote]
You know what really gets me about DVD sales today... perhaps not any different then video sales in the past, is that producers think they can throw a bunch of footage onto to tape or disk and put a fancy slick cover on it & it’s going to fly.

The average video customer is seasoned. They know which companies produce great footage and which ones is a waste of money. Fifteen years ago an adult video cost anywhere from 50K to 200K but the market was there and the production quality was as well. In the past year I’ve purchased or requested DVD samples seeing what the popular niche titles were. Let me tell you what… it was shit. Poor lighting, acting and producers shooting what they know nothing about. But then again this is the same problem you see with content today, right?

I think that compilation for DVD needs to be done professionally, otherwise sell it as content. Web content is, or should be, different then full feature DVD production.