Cloning Frauds

[Almighty Colin]

Just caught a piece on the news. Raelians came out today and said the mother won't allow testing. Frauds.

[Nickatilynx]

wankers

[Forest]

they are claiming the mother and father want to protect the child from the world and keep her identity a secret


hahahahahaha

fuckin looosers :lol:

[dantheman]

your all cloned :ph34r:

[slavdogg]

you heard it here first

i cloned myself

[Forest]

the govt took away my cloning rights
=(

[-= JR =-]

Originally posted by Colin@Jan 3 2003, 12:17 PM
Just caught a piece on the news. Raelians came out today and said the mother won't allow testing. Frauds.
well, if i was going to start a cult and have a grand opening... i would probably do exactly what they did. its not too often that complete nutcases can make headlines world wide without using a gun.

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[Mutt]

wackos. let's deport the Raelians along with the Muslims.


JR that's a nice piece of artwork there with the smilies. :okthumb:

[slavdogg]

is that how pyramids were built or is that an MLM ?

[RawAlex]

JR, that is just downright spooky looking...

Alex

[-= JR =-]

Originally posted by Mutt@Jan 3 2003, 12:56 PM
wackos. let's deport the Raelians along with the Muslims.


JR that's a nice piece of artwork there with the smilies. :okthumb:
thanks Mutt! :okthumb:

i will was planning to wait until next week to announce i have cured cancer... but i may move that up to today.
:bjump: :bdance: :cdance: :bwave: :bdance:

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[dantheman]

JR, you worry me sometimes:)

[-= JR =-]

Originally posted by dantheman@Jan 3 2003, 01:18 PM
JR, you worry me sometimes:)
haha.... wait until there is 8 of me
:)

[Almighty Colin]

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Laugh of the year!

[Dianna Vesta]

JR- very cool!

Cloning - I can understand the parents wanting to keep the indentity secret. Let's face it the kid will become a side show. I'm sure they'll release news in time when it's right.

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[JFK]

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ha ha ha ...........cant find anything to do till Vegas ?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Jan 3 2003, 01:55 PM
JR- very cool!

Cloning - I can understand the parents wanting to keep the indentity secret. Let's face it the kid will become a side show. I'm sure they'll release news in time when it's right.

:unsure:
You REALLY think the Raelians have successfully cloned a person?

It took about 300 failures to produce a cloned sheep. Suddenly, miraculously, a UFO cult claims that they have successully cloned a human and that they will offer a DNA test of the child and mother as proof. No 300 errors. No 200 errors. No 100 errors. No errors at all. A miracle! They claim that they learned how to clone from aliens.

No white paper. No publication. Nothing. This is not science. It's fraud.

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Colin+Jan 3 2003, 02:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Jan 3 2003, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Dianna Vesta@Jan 3 2003, 01:55 PM
JR- very cool!

Cloning - I can understand the parents wanting to keep the indentity secret. Let's face it the kid will become a side show. I'm sure they'll release news in time when it's right.

:unsure:
You REALLY think the Raelians have successfully cloned a person?

It took about 300 failures to produce a cloned sheep. Suddenly, miraculously, a UFO cult claims that they have successully cloned a human and that they will offer a DNA test of the child and mother as proof. No 300 errors. No 200 errors. No 100 errors. No errors at all. A miracle! They claim that they learned how to clone from aliens.

No white paper. No publication. Nothing. This is not science. It's fraud.[/b][/quote]
It took 300 attempts but they finally did it. We have no idea how this group is funded. They probably have a shit load of money from people who beleive in this type of thing.

Then again, it could be a huge marketing scheme to get a shit load of money to really make clones.

Who fucking knows for sure? Not I.

[Nickatilynx]

They probably have a shit load of money from people who beleive in this type of thing.



The correct term for people who believe in thi shit is "nutters" :)

[Mike AI]

Of course they are frauds, they are a buch lof freaking wierdo loosers looking for attention!!

[-= JR =-]

MikeAI, i think the world just needs more believers. why the pessimism? you have something against French journalists who claim to have been created by an alien race - who also claims that humans were "engineered" by aliens... who then goes on TV claiming to have cloned the first human and very NOT SURPRISINGLY does not want to prove it?

i dont see anything wrong with that story.

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[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Dianna Vesta+Jan 3 2003, 02:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dianna Vesta @ Jan 3 2003, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -Colin@Jan 3 2003, 02:23 PM
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JR- very cool!

Cloning - I can understand the parents wanting to keep the indentity secret. Let's face it the kid will become a side show. I'm sure they'll release news in time when it's right.

:unsure:
You REALLY think the Raelians have successfully cloned a person?

It took about 300 failures to produce a cloned sheep. Suddenly, miraculously, a UFO cult claims that they have successully cloned a human and that they will offer a DNA test of the child and mother as proof. No 300 errors. No 200 errors. No 100 errors. No errors at all. A miracle! They claim that they learned how to clone from aliens.

No white paper. No publication. Nothing. This is not science. It's fraud.
It took 300 attempts but they finally did it. We have no idea how this group is funded. They probably have a shit load of money from people who beleive in this type of thing.

Then again, it could be a huge marketing scheme to get a shit load of money to really make clones.

Who fucking knows for sure? Not I.[/b][/quote]
Yes, but wanna see what 300 failed attempts at cloning humans looks like? Malformed fetuses, still births, deformations. I don't believe they did that. This is why humans can't be cloned yet - at least not without these troubles. There is no known process of not producing the above first.

[Phoenix]

i hear they experiment freely with cells as long as they are under the 64 cell stage of development...so you never know what sort of mix someone might have made up....I find it hard to believe that they were succesful, although i recognize that all they really needed were two or three established genetic scientists who may have specialized in the field...but to claim they have done it and not want to prove it...gimme a break whoever was in charge would have made sure his/her name got into the books...so it was a fraud

[-= JR =-]

in case anyone missed it,.... she explained in her press conference that the "technology" and "expertise" came from a very experienced veterinarian who had as she put it "cloned more than 3000 cows"

and to her entire story i would quote a greater person than she could ever hope to be (and certainly with better teeth)

.... "Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here"
Jack Nicholson, As Good As It Gets.

[DAMNMAN]

They are selling a lot of books and getting massive hits to their web site!!!

Money and publicity are the name of the game.

Fuckin' smart if you ask me.....

[Danny_C]

I doubt they're anything other than frauds, but IF they really did successfully clone a human, I think they did the right thing.

An attorney in Florida wanted to sue to have the child taken from its mother. Whether the child is a clone or not, why would anybody even consider taking it from its mother?

If I were Rael, I would have done exactly the same thing. I would have sacrificed credibility for the wellfare of the mother and child.

Still, I'm sure they are fakes - just not because they denied testing.

[-= JR =-]

Originally posted by DAMNMAN@Jan 3 2003, 06:27 PM
They are selling a lot of books and getting massive hits to their web site!!!

Money and publicity are the name of the game.

Fuckin' smart if you ask me.....
i dont think that anyone can say it was not a good publicity stunt. certainly beats the fuck out of passing out flowers in airports.

anyone who can claim they were created by aliens while simultaneously getting world media coverage without shooting anyone or taking hostages is doing good.

[-= JR =-]

Originally posted by Danny_C@Jan 3 2003, 06:29 PM

If I were Rael, I would have done exactly the same thing. I would have sacrificed credibility for the wellfare of the mother and child.

interesting logic.

protecting "the welfare of the mother and child" would begin with a massive press conference announcing to the world their existence while knowing what kind of shit storm would follow?

you would have done the same thing?

.... you are not by chance a french journalist created by aliens too are you?
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[Almighty Colin]

They don't have to prove it with a DNA test. They could start with a white paper describing their methodology, results, success, etc. How did they do it without failures? Usually the paper comes first and the announcement second.

[DAMNMAN]

Originally posted by -= JR =-+Jan 3 2003, 03:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (-= JR =- @ Jan 3 2003, 03:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--DAMNMAN@Jan 3 2003, 06:27 PM
They are selling a lot of books and getting massive hits to their web site!!!

Money and publicity are the name of the game.

Fuckin' smart if you ask me.....
i dont think that anyone can say it was not a good publicity stunt. certainly beats the fuck out of passing out flowers in airports.

anyone who can claim they were created by aliens while simultaneously getting world media coverage without shooting anyone or taking hostages is doing good.[/b][/quote]
Damn straight!!!

[DAMNMAN]

Originally posted by Danny_C@Jan 3 2003, 03:29 PM
I doubt they're anything other than frauds, but IF they really did successfully clone a human, I think they did the right thing.

An attorney in Florida wanted to sue to have the child taken from its mother. Whether the child is a clone or not, why would anybody even consider taking it from its mother?

If I were Rael, I would have done exactly the same thing. I would have sacrificed credibility for the wellfare of the mother and child.

Still, I'm sure they are fakes - just not because they denied testing.
I must agree with the leaving a child with it's mother part of your post.

Even if the child were a clone it should stay with it's mother, unless abuse becomes a factor.

If they were to take it from it's mother what would they do with it? Conduct fuckin' experiments on it no doubt!!!!

[-= JR =-]

Originally posted by Colin@Jan 3 2003, 06:51 PM
They don't have to prove it with a DNA test. They could start with a white paper describing their methodology, results, success, etc. How did they do it without failures? Usually the paper comes first and the announcement second.
i think there was a white paper.

it was written with a crayon on a napkin from the International House of Pancakes across the street from the Holiday Inn where they made their announcement.

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"methodology:

first some guys with really white jackets took some of the really small, spinny long part and put it in the really teeny tiny round part... uhm the egg they called it, i think... er wait... huh!?! babies come from eggs? but how many chickens does it take to make a baby?"