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so what does everybody think about the 'reality porn' sites that Bangbus begat? do you think the surfers are tiring of them? do the non-OxCash/Nasty Dollars sites convert better than other sites in programs like ARS, TopBucks, etc i.e. does MilfSeeker outdo the other TopBucks sites?
i think alot has to do with the 'hook', the site itself and the quality of the scenes, the boys from Florida know how to do them.
Just saw a new one yesterday, looks like a pretty good idea, NastyCops, http://www.nastycops.com I gotta feeling Fox ain't gonna be happy with the logo.
No doubt many more on on their way, i think a lot of people think it's the easiest way to get webmasters to send traffic to their programs.
http://www.nastycops.com
http://www.bimbosinlimos.com
http://www.hummerhump.com
http://www.shegotconned.com
http://www.trunked.com
http://www.whowantstofuckabillionaire.com
http://www.touristhunter.com
Plus all the usual suspects that everyone knows about. I don't think surfers are tired of this stuff.... but at this rate, they will be soon!!
Dianna Vesta
12-19-2002, 03:41 PM
I agree with monk.
I think niches will make a huge come back.
RawAlex
12-19-2002, 03:41 PM
Mutt, like any style, it will one day go... for the moment, people are all hot and bothered about "reality" based porn. I suspect it is a a backlash against the big rubber boobed blonde perfection babes in the 5 scene predictable Hollywood porn that overwhelmes the adult industry right now.
People's fantasies only go a certain distance beyond their own realities... Hollywood porn is outside of the reach of many... the reality of bangbus is that "ugly" gets to fuck real girls... and for the most part, the girls are not stunners... just real people have "real" sex...
Don't worry about what's hot now... try to consider what is next after this... and position yourself accordingly!
Alex
Hooper
12-19-2002, 03:46 PM
It's all about the "HOOK" monk.. and i swear that before internext we'll push the limits of reality porn a little further.
The reality niche will continue to do well for a while but with the saturation of product, sites and content a point of diminishing returns may be reached (for new sites that are just spins offs or rip offs)
Speaking with people not in the industry they really believe these sites are real (or at least want to) when telling someone who is an internet porn consumer that Bang Bus was staged they told me they didn't want to know - not to ruin the fantasy for them
Obviously the important thing is to anticipate what is going to be hot next in the market
Looking at TV we are still getting more reality shows and the reality shows are being renewed for new seasons ... Hmmmmmmm
I've got a few interesting concepts for reality sites in mind, don't know if I'll be able to develop them and I can't believe they are not being done yet
Dianna Vesta
12-19-2002, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by Vick@Dec 19 2002, 03:56 PM
I've got a few interesting concepts for reality sites in mind, don't know if I'll be able to develop them and I can't believe they are not being done yet
Me too!
It's tricky but can be done.
Monk knows his porn!
SheGotConned is strange, you shoot custom content and then you use Adult Bouncer, an AVS? I will say, that now goes in the record books as THE most expensive AVS site ever created.
BimbosinLimos looks good, never saw it before, nice design, hot chicks, all pro porn girls i get sent to me on Wanton Girls.
The CE one looks so-so.
The Shaw stuff is crap, if you're going to shoot porn in Canada, there's only one place to do it and that's Quebec.
JoeE's TouristHunter looks good, they haven't used the formula reality porn design on it. Wonder how many scenes he has, that's the bitch with those sites, it's never ending, one new scene per week for the life of the site.
Notice all the pornstar girls now in the Ox and Nasty sites? They ran out of girls in Florida and are now shooting in L.A and will have to keep doing it i think.
c'mon Hooper give us some hints about what you got! :gbounce:
i think we all have reality porn site ideas, i had a list of about 20 of them, probably five good ones.
pretty cool though that the web companies are now shooting more porn video than many of the video companies. The video companies freaked out when Ox and Nasty came to town cuz they were paying the girls more than the video companies do and that pissed them off.
Hooper, I agree about the HOOK.... but people are just blindly copying the BangBus to a large degree.
bimbosinLIMOS.com
bangBUS.com
bitchMOBILE.com
HUMMERhump.com
TRUNKed.com
OK, folks we get the idea. There is a vehicle involved, What's next FuckTruck?... ooooh, that's a catchy one actually.... what about skanktank.com.... oooh, I'm on a roll.
I do think reality porn will last for quite a while yet. It is still in its infancy really, but some innovation would be good. BackRoomFacials is good.
Mutt, I think SheGotConned is owned by the Adult Bouncer people and they just give access to their AVS as a bonus upon joining.
Diamond Jim
12-19-2002, 04:32 PM
I agree with Monk...I don't see this "craze" ending any time soon...look how popular the real amateur stuff is still, even after all this time...
I just thank God everybody rips off the new idea as soon as it comes out....more places to send traffic! :lol:
i agree Monk, Backroom Facials is funny and good stuff. That's what
many of the clones don't understand, the talent, the guy shooting and editing it and the girl who's in the scene has to be able to pull off
a credible scene, to make it all work. I've seen some really lame stuff. I still say the original BangBus is the best of them all. Because of the two stooges driving the bus. Somebody told me Dirty is no longer with Bangbus? I haven't been a member there in almost a year so i dunno.
Mike AI
12-19-2002, 05:36 PM
Gonzo, Amatuer porn has always been around, and will continue to make tons of money. It is only as good as the idea and execution - all the copying and lame execution is not going to do as well as unique ideas, and angles.
It is all the same porn, it is just selling the sizzle, and packaging it different...
Something we have been doing for years....
homegrownmof
12-19-2002, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Monk@Dec 19 2002, 04:17 PM
Hooper, I agree about the HOOK.... but people are just blindly copying the BangBus to a large degree.
bimbosinLIMOS.com
bangBUS.com
bitchMOBILE.com
HUMMERhump.com
TRUNKed.com
OK, folks we get the idea. There is a vehicle involved, What's next FuckTruck?... ooooh, that's a catchy one actually.... what about skanktank.com.... oooh, I'm on a roll.
I do think reality porn will last for quite a while yet. It is still in its infancy really, but some innovation would be good. BackRoomFacials is good.
I agree with Monk.
The first ones to do this- Bang Bus- made it work. For a while. Now it is diluted and it just plain moronic.
Besides, rule#1 with porn production- no stupid banter during the sex! Before the sene you can get away with it, but don't try to be an emcee during the fuck scene. For the love of God.
Now with the Hummer stuff- have some self respect people. It is still a fuck scene, you are simply altering the mode of transportion to said fuck scene.
It is about the heat and the girl. In some cases it is just about the heat, which is why us folks at Homegrown can get away with average-looking girls- the heat during the scene and the realness more than makes up for the look of the talent.
RawAlex
12-19-2002, 06:35 PM
Everyone forgets that it isn't "how they look" as much as "what they do" and "how they do it"... the situation, the circumstance...
Hollywood porn forgot that, and made it all pretty people having safe sex in safe places... sort of takes all the fun out of it... and in the end, fantasies are suppose to be fun.
Bangbus is FUN. The sex is the goal, but it isn't the fun - the story of getting there is.
Alex
Nickatilynx
12-19-2002, 07:16 PM
So you like the chase , then , Alex?
:)
Diamond Jim
12-19-2002, 07:23 PM
Alex spams for BangBus!
Nickatilynx
12-19-2002, 07:27 PM
DJ,
Frankly I'm shocled to learn that about Alex!!!
In fact I'm flabbergasted.Never has my flabber been so gasted.
Jonboy!! Alert the media!!
;)
:nyanya:
well i gotta say that if you like porn this is a great time. there has been a big movement against the silicone Barbie doll cum dodger porn queen types and there are a ton of really good looking young (18-24) girl next door types who are awesome sex performers working in the video business. When i first started watching porn there were alot of pretty ugly girls doing it, most of them looked like porn was there only option other than hooking, then late 80's you started seeing some very attractive girls getting in, often though with a girl like Savannah they were dead fish as performers.
Moffit is right that the sex is what it's all about, if the people seem to be into it then it's good porn. The thing though right now you don't have to settle for average looking girls who are 'into it', there are a plethora of really cute girls who love fucking on camera in the industry. Look at all the amateur sites, the same thing.
If you go to the website RogReviews.com, this guy is probably the number one web based video porn reviewer/news/interviewer, his readership is the real avid porn fan, the guys who know who all the stars and studios are, rent and buy a ton of product. According to him the top two girls working in porn today, according to his readers, mail, etc , are not any Vivid contract girl, not Jenna even - he says Jenna Haze and Aurora Snow are the most popular. Both girls look like real girls, could have walked in from a college campus. All natural and both love sex on camera.
homegrownmof
12-19-2002, 07:42 PM
Hey Alex,
Can you really tell me it's "FUN" when that Bang Bus douchebag does his wigger, "yo we got the jizzie in the hizzie yo" shtick while the couple is fucking?
Does it give you wood?
Do you watch porn for the entertainment value or the spankability?
I keep hearing from our cable/satellite partners that many times our Homegrown vids have better buy rates than big budget features. That should tell us something.
someday you'll have to tell us how that all works Moffit, selling to cable/satellite/PPV etc. I've asked the question on porn industry boards and never really get an answer. I didn't even know Homegrown was being shown on those things. On my cable system's PPV it seems like it's all Vivid type stuff, maybe it's changed since i last looked.
i think i read that on cable/satellite PPV that the adult companies get less a % than the Hollywood mainstream movie studios do. I don't see why, they should get the same %.
homegrownmof
12-19-2002, 08:10 PM
Mutt,
If you have DirecTV check out Playboy's Hot Zone channel. They list the Homegrowns as "Amateur Videos" and mix them in with Vivid gonzo fare.
They make us give the videos/scenes names like "Refreshing Taste", "In the Mood" or "The Watering Hole", as opposed to the real names like "Volume 468- Susie and Johnny fuck by the hottub, or vol. 595- Mona's Gangbang.
Seems counterintuitive.
As for the lesser % payout I believe deals were made to get more channels up. It is pretty obvious some shrewd moves have been made by Vivid
RawAlex
12-19-2002, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by homegrownmof@Dec 19 2002, 07:50 PM
Can you really tell me it's "FUN" when that Bang Bus douchebag does his wigger, "yo we got the jizzie in the hizzie yo" shtick while the couple is fucking?
Does it give you wood?
Do you watch porn for the entertainment value or the spankability?
Well, y'see, it isn't so much about what I get wood over (asian is more my style, thanks...) but it is about the "fun" that is missing from most mainstream porn. Porn is, at the end, two (or more) people doing the same thing they have done for millions of years... that isn't going to change.
For many years, the porn business tried to tell us it was about being "beautiful people"... the perfect girls, with the same blonde hair, the same makeup, the same rubber tits, and the same shave job down below. They were cast in movies with the same dozen or so male stars with the same 5 sex scenes etc... predictable, and dull. Most scripts seem to have been written on cocktail napkins, at best.
Sadly, for most men, unless they are paying mucho dinero, they ain't never going to get in the room with one of those girls - and while they beat off to it, they ain't getting "the big thrill".
Spankability comes from the entertainment value... reality engages the part of the mind that moves it from porn to entertainment - and keeps it very spankable. Turn on the brain... the rest is simple!
Alex
So if I'm reading this correctly some of you are saying it doesn't matter if the girl is "average" looking (and "average" looking in many case is not attractive) as long as she is a good performer?
I don't like Hollywood porn silicone barbies (Jenna Jameson, Pam Anderson types - they are beautiful no doubt but not my thing) - but ......
The model should be very attractive or at least have some very good to excellent physical attributes ... be it her facial structure, eyes. cheekbones, ass, breasts ....
When you're selling porn Joe Jackoff can't talk to the babe to see her charming, witty, intelligent personality
Who wants to see average for their fantasy when they can see and achieve that any weekend night in the local watering hole
Different strokes for different folks ....
and so on and so on and scoobie doobie doobie
RawAlex
12-19-2002, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Vick@Dec 19 2002, 09:28 PM
When you're selling porn Joe Jackoff can't talk to the babe to see her charming, witty, intelligent personality
Actually, if you do things right, the girl's winning personality should come through in the video - or at least the personality that they are suppose to be bringing out...
:D
UncleJimmy
12-20-2002, 01:29 AM
Push the limit?
I'm waiting until we can serve up cyber-hand jobs...
VR porn is gonna rock fooo shoooo
Dianna Vesta
12-20-2002, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by UncleJimmy@Dec 20 2002, 01:37 AM
Push the limit?
I'm waiting until we can serve up cyber-hand jobs...
VR porn is gonna rock fooo shoooo
Maybe it was a dream but I remember watching TV and they had some type of prototype they were building, or had built where a sex device is attached the PC. (Talk about a JOY STICK!)
Seriously didn't someone do that? With most Virtual Reality devices do they need to even be attached to a PC?
Wow, how come this isn't more popular? 3-D Porn that come alive. It's got to be expensive to produce.
DV
JerryW
12-20-2002, 11:14 AM
Since we've shot almost 40 "reality" episodes, this is something I know a little bit about.
As far as being "ripoffs", go look at network tv and see how many sitcoms, cop shows, reality shows, medical shows there are and how they all look the same. Same plots, same cast, same concepts, just change the network logo.
Our MilfSeeker.com took the concept of MilfHunter and we made changes to it to give a different look. For some of the best sexy entertainment, watch the pickup scenes from any of our milfseeker episodes. Not great acting but very funny and all un-rehersed and almost un-directed. :rolleyes:
Do surfers want entertainment vs. porn? All I can say is based on MilfSeeker, TopBucks has offered us 3 more contracts to produce reality sites for them :rokk: . So we must be doing something right. HummerHump has gotten us new customers as well.
As to the future, we're going to head off in a new direction and see what happens. We just got the lease on 5000 sq ft of space for the production of this new project and we'll start as soon as the buildout permits us.
shooting content sucks, money is and always be in traffic, anything to do with traffic which leads to the cash register.
people who shoot content are desperate people, they will take whatever anybody will give them, as long as there is a couple bucks at the end to put in their jeans. this brings the price of content down so low that it's not really worth the effort.
Owning content, now that is another story, u can make some cash with that. If it wasn't for the thieves in this business and Kazaa it would be a TON of money.
photogregg
12-20-2002, 12:48 PM
Hmmm Mutt,
Getting ready to shoot out 22nd episode of MilfSeeker in a few minutes...talent, secretary and fluffer running around naked. Course the real action happens during the shoot...and especially the breaks, because everyone's horny as hell.
Desperate? Nahhh, I have fun, the shoots are a party, get my share of cuties to play with, and yep not making the $$$ the traffic folks make, but we did manage to pull in 65k this month. Spending money and wild women, parties for shoots...good enough for me.
Content sucks...yep...lots of sucking and licking on and off the camera :)
homegrownmof
12-20-2002, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Vick@Dec 19 2002, 09:28 PM
Different strokes for different folks ....
and so on and so on and scoobie doobie doobie
Vick,
At first it seemed like you just didn't get it, but the last sentence of your post spelled out the bottom line.
Dianna,
We partnered with a company that makes a "Virtual Sex Machine". It is a suction device that coordinates its movement with DVDs from our Eye Contact POV scenes. As the girl looks into the camera while sucking, the machine does it job, and I think you get the idea.
Photogregg,
I applaud you for having the exact attitude we look for in hiring content producers. Do it for the fun, not the $$$
sarah_webinc
12-20-2002, 06:32 PM
this part of the entertainment biz is very much like mainstream Hollywood in that it takes any profitable idea and replicates it over and over again until it is waterdown to the point people can't stand looking at it any longer. Even then it will just return in 10 years and marked as retro. Think of how many 'metor hits earth' movies there was a couple years back.
When I was reviewing for TGPS I would get so bored looking at a zillion and one galleries for bangbus and its copies. When they first came out it was great because it was fresh and a bit of variety.
A while back I found a link to a place that was letting the surfer download copies of 70's porn. I am too young to have watched much porn that came out prior to the home video revolution. The difference was remarkable. A large portion of the movies were films that happened to have hardcore sex in them. Also, the way they presented the sex was totally different - in most scenes there was a reason for the people to be having sex. I'm not talking huge back stories but they usually said a couple words to each other before fucking.
The 'slicker' porn videos get the less I want to watch them. I like (and I know I am a woman so it isn't the same) some talking -especially dirty talk. I hate scenes where there isn't any sound or (god forbid) cheesey soundtrack music so heavy that you can see lips moving but can't hear any sound. Natural sound dammit..it gets me hot when people talk to each other. It happens more in fetish stuff and real lesbian stuff but dang it can be hot.
I think that is the same kind of audience the boom in gonzo porn videos was tapping into and it simply took its time getting to the net. Get new ideas though guys....MILF is being used by every other site these days, everyone is having sex in a car or bus.
Gregg it wasn't meant as a putdown to guys who shoot porn. the business of shooting content for others is not anybody's way to riches, that was my point.
Porn can't be mass produced, so margins have to be pretty high to make good money as a producer, and the margins aren't high. Can you maximise the amount of money u do in a day of shooting porn? yup, gotta be crafty.
Now if you owned MilfSeeker........... now you're having all the fun shooting the scenes AND making big bank. Best of both worlds.
Ah well, the crux of the reality deal is basically a double edged sword.
Right now it converts -- even the worst reality site probably does as well as any vanilla megasite.
It's expensive. The launch, to do it right, is probably 10 times what adding another pay site to a group you already have would cost.
Updates are a bitch. A real bitch.
The videography is not such a big deal but the post production is time consuming and expensive.
You can copy bangbus or any other reality site and if you get the traffic, you can do sales.
Will it last? Probably, just not in such great demand. When you see Real World, Survivor, that stupid wrestling show start to tank, then look for reality porn to crash too.
Of course if you watch what the next round of incredibly stupid but hugely lucrative tv shows are, you should be able to figure out where to go next.
Dravyk
12-21-2002, 06:36 AM
Candid Camera still has it's appeal half a century later. America's Home Videos is back. And those blooper shows are trotted out for every big ratings month. Based on television, there will always be a market for reality stuff, but there will be highs and lows.
Look at 50 years of cops shows and hospital shows. They're popular for 12-15, almost or totally disappear for a couple years, and boom they're back and flying high for another 15. ... Wish stocks had a pattern as consistent.
very true. but ya know what's never made a comeback? westerns on TV.
dunno why really, not that i was ever a big fan of TV westerns. but i think if a good one came out now it would do great since it would stand out.
variety shows died too and have never made a comeback.
photogregg
12-21-2002, 08:41 AM
Just for fun and laughs, check out our funniest "Behind the scenes Blooper clip" yet:
PhotoGregg Blooper (http://www.photogregg.com/news.html)
Dravyk
12-21-2002, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Mutt@Dec 21 2002, 07:36 AM
variety shows died too and have never made a comeback.
I blame Donny and Marie for this.
Originally posted by Dravyk+Dec 21 2002, 02:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Dec 21 2002, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mutt@Dec 21 2002, 07:36 AM
variety shows died too and have never made a comeback.
I blame Donny and Marie for this.[/b][/quote]
AWWWWWWWWW But they were so Cute ! :yowsa:
Evil Chris
12-23-2002, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Dec 19 2002, 04:49 PM
I agree with monk.
I think niches will make a huge come back.
Niche's make a comeback? I don't think they really ever went anywhere, but ok.
Some of these reality sites are blatantly moronic ripoffs of better sites with more original ideas, however some of them will continue to make money for a long time.
Mike AI
12-23-2002, 01:11 PM
Yeah I am with you EC - niches never went anywhere, and infact that is really the only sites I see being launched - and the only ones that are converting.
No one is throwing up just a regular mega porn site, that is played out - people want the niche...
I have been working on some nice things in the Amatuer niche, should do well....
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