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Almighty Colin
11-28-2002, 05:12 AM
A few years before the pilgrims set sail and landed near Plymouth Rock some other Brits landed in Virginia and celebrated their version of Thanksgiving in 1619. They didn't do so well and so their lineage of Thanksgiving - the version without a feast - didn't survive. Holiday Darwinism at work.

A year later those buckle-belted black clothed pilgrims had established a colony at Plymouth and were having a go at colonization. They were not doing so well. They had managed to escape religious persecution back home but found a new threat to life and liberty - starvation. The problem? They were practicing the old custom of "farming in common". Everyone worked to make one farm held in common provide a fruitful harvest. You can guess what happened. Everyone slacked.

About half the pilgrims died in the first year. They may not have survived if the Native American population had not assisted them. Another year later in 1621, the pilgrims held Thankgiving version 1.2 inviting about 100 Native Americans to the party. Governor William Bradford invited them to thank them. Smooth fella.

By 1623 the colony was desperate. Mr. William Bradford decided each family would get their own plot of land and could produce whatever they wanted. Guess what happened next. A miracle! Everyone started working hard and there was suddenly plenty of food! This colony survived and it is their tradition of Thanksgiving that is celebrated in America today.



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Winetalk.com
11-28-2002, 06:02 AM
Colin,
your story put a tear on my eyes
;-))

Mike AI
11-28-2002, 01:02 PM
Colin, that story is in Rush Limbaughs book, and he tells it on the eve of Thanksgiving every year.

Seems the early Pilgrims found out that communism/socialism does nto work very quickly and moved to free markets. Amazing how hundreds of years lasters peopel are still trying to figure out what these guys found out in a matter of years.

Bradford and his followers were ahead of there times in many ways!!

I was reading and found some professor in Florida who claims the first Thanksgiving was in Florida. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._thanksgiving_1 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021128/ap_on_re_us/first_thanksgiving_1)

Though I guess it would be hard to definde "Thanksgiving"

Nickatilynx
11-28-2002, 02:02 PM
Governor William Bradford invited them to thank them. Smooth fella.


I like the sound of that guy.

So therefore thanksgiving is technically an English Puritan tradition?

Excellent!! I'm getting :hic: :agrin:

As we have US staff members we will be celebrating it here too :)

Almighty Colin
11-28-2002, 06:59 PM
Mike-

Cool that is in Limbaugh's book. Even cooler is the "Florida" story. Never read that before. Agreed that would depend on the definition of Thanksgiving. Not sure if a meal of "salted pork and garbanzo beans" can count as Thanksgiving!

Nick, Bradford was a pretty interesting guy. He was definitely all about "How to win friends and influence people".

Almighty Colin
11-28-2002, 07:03 PM
Why were so many people, probably independently, trying to center a new tradition around the idea of "giving thanks"? Maybe the idea already floated around Europe or does travelling across an unknown ocean have a unique effect on people?