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Mike AI
11-26-2002, 09:55 PM
Low Turnout At Cybernet Expo
by D.U.C. (send email to D.U.C.)
Only a few dozen webmasters made it to the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas for the Cybernet Expo. As a retailing event, it was poor. The seminars were ok. The partying was great.
How long can the Cybernet Expo go on? The event seem's to have lost its lustre. AVN now controls this game.
It used to be one of the best shows. Now you could walk in and in the wink of an eye be done with the whole thing.
The Tropicana is a horrible hotel.
XXX says: I saw Howard Stern's producer Gary Delabarte.
People showed up to the show and were disappointed and went out and did their own thing. The Rob Goulds (Babenet) and Yishai's of the world stayed at the Venetian and kept to themselves. Ron Levi showed up for one day.
There were a lot of fat porn webmasters at the show.
Porsche Lynn and her husband Angus are good people. They operate www.porschelynn.com. She's about 45 years old now.
I think HBO's Cathouse special, set at Dennis Hof's Bunny Ranch near Reno, is going to be the highest rated cable special ever. It's the most real America undercover I've ever seen. They put cams in the brothels.
You'll see a mom taking her son in there to get his cherry popped to married couples. It's surreal.
You see Divine Brown's pimp (hooker who was arrested for blownig Hugh Grant) come in and try to steal a chick.
Dennis Hof is a consumate professional and a grade A media whore.
Steve Seidman, formerly of Adult Stars Magazine, now works for the Bunny Ranch. He lives next to the ranch in Carson City.
Living on the ranch sounds good. You have your food prepared. Clothes brought in. They take you to the doctor once a week. But Carson City? I went to a sports book one night because Steve had to place some bets and there were little old ladies with grey hair playing slot machines and smoking cigarettes and listening to Merle Haggard.
Dennis gave me a shirt that read "Hookers are better than wives - they're more honest." And I thought that is so true. It's just a legitimate fun thing.
Did I get comped? I can't say. Let's put it this way. Dennis took good care of me.
Then I looked at myself. What have I become? Is this really the Jewish ideal? Hookers over wives? I wonder what the Talmud has to say about this.
Dennis Hof is getting his websites together.
LOL KB is funnier than fuck, I'll give him that.
Mike AI
11-26-2002, 10:15 PM
Yeah KB is funny. Amazing how Luke does not do a good job of hidng who his anonymous sources are.... it is always obvious.
From the photos JFK posted, it looked like a good turn out to me.
It wasn't bad, of course any show can always be worse or better -- perhaps Luke, oh I mean DUC, should have attended the show so he didnt have to rely on emails...
I only wish I had the time to heckle KB during his panel discussion, something about Mastering the Upsell... ;-}}}
Last edited by *KK* at Nov 26 2002, 07:26 PM
Billy
11-26-2002, 11:24 PM
KK.. what did you mean.. KB masterbating......
:agrin:
Zebra
11-26-2002, 11:34 PM
What determines the quality of the show is how much busines you could get done.
I got plenty of business done at this show.
At some Internext shows you are so busy spinning around in circles you never get shit done. At the show last week the fact that there were no scheduled events after the seminars was a good thing because it allowed everyone to do what they wanted to and you could find the people you wanted to everynight in the party suites.
Why spend tens of thousands on a party that is so loud nobody can talk? The party suites seem to have been the best place to hook up at the last few shows. Maybe webmasters are changing the way they do things at show. I didn't really hear anyone who was at the show complaining.
Maybe one day Luke will realize he is an outsider and will finally leave porn reporting behind. In the words of the Beach Boys, "Wouldn't it be nice?"
KB pimping a porn ranch... who would have expected it? :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Zebra@Nov 26 2002, 08:42 PM
KB pimping a porn ranch... who would have expected it? :rolleyes:
I think it's the first time he's had this job ;)
RawAlex
11-27-2002, 12:02 AM
While I have a "vested interest" in Cybernetexpo, let me just say that the turnout was reasonable, considering the number of regional events, as well as competing European events and such. Also remember that there are effectively NO webmaster oriented booths in the show, as it is a public show. The webmaster events are an aside to the original intention of Adultdex.
Having said that, the people who did come to Vegas for the event seemed to have a good time, the pictures from the suite certainly don't look dull, and alot of business got done. Heck, I met some new people that are certain to turn into good parts of my business in the next little while.
That and snakebabe was kewl :-)
Alex
SykkBoy
11-27-2002, 12:15 AM
Businesswise, this was one of our best shows...
We made some graet deals and are already reaping benefits from some of the contacts.
We went to AdultDex the first day and the turnout seemed light, but the following days seemed more well attended...and had we not had to pull out shortly before the show, I'm sure we would have done well on the surfer end. Everyone forgets that AdultDex is full of SURFERS who've paid a $15 covercharge to attend....the marketing for some of these shows need to change...a booth touting $40 signups does nothing for the comdex geek look for a glimpse of some pornstar flesh....but stick a pornstar (well known or unknown) with a pen and a couple 8x10's and you have a line of potential members standing their in front of you....
I made a post on NetPond about the light turnout on the first day of adultdex and wondered if maybe comdex (which didn't have the numbers they used to either (exhbitors and attendees) would mege....but after talking to VegasLee, I think AdultDex can stand strongly on it's own, but maybe they need to impress upon webmasters the difference between this show and something like InterNext....
Alex, Lee, Faye and Dave, a big thank you for putting on a great show that ended up being very successful for us (and some of the people we met with haven't even returned home yet). Oh and Alex, I think Zoe stills owes you a bum squeeze from Sabby ;)))
Mike AI
11-27-2002, 12:22 AM
Alex, I heard things went well.... I guess sometimes the "Players" even who are anonymous are "Haters" sometimes...
RawAlex
11-27-2002, 12:31 AM
Sykky, Zoe can give me a bum squeeze ANY TIME SHE LIKES... :-)
Alex :P
SykkBoy
11-27-2002, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by RawAlex@Nov 27 2002, 12:39 AM
Sykky, Zoe can give me a bum squeeze ANY TIME SHE LIKES... :-)
Alex :P
hahaha, ok, but it'll cost you 10,000 non-blind raw hits ;))))
RawAlex
11-27-2002, 12:44 AM
hee-hee... I didn't expect to get off that cheap!
Zoe is a lovely girl... and tolerant if she puts up with you! :nyanya:
Alex
SykkBoy
11-27-2002, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by RawAlex@Nov 27 2002, 12:52 AM
hee-hee... I didn't expect to get off that cheap!
Zoe is a lovely girl... and tolerant if she puts up with you! :nyanya:
Alex
hahahahaha
yeah, very tolerant....between her and my wife, one of them deserves a medal for not stabbing me to death with a spork in a fit of mad rage ;)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA................... Luke is so funny with the anonymous quotes but to be fair can KB be any more conspicuous when he writes Luke? :lol:
He should just write as 'ThisIsAbsolutelyNOTKevinBlattIfYouThinkItIsYouAre WrongAndAnIdiotJustBecauseEverythingYouReadHereSou ndsExactlyLikeKBDoesntMeanShitSoFuckOfffAndDieMmmk ay' writes::
:bdance:
People showed up to the show and were disappointed and went out and did their own thing. The Rob Goulds (Babenet) and Yishai's of the world stayed at the Venetian and kept to themselves. Ron Levi showed up for one day.
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I'd say that having these folks even attend your show would be considered a good turnout.
I would hate to see cybernet expo be over, I have lots of fond show memories from cybernet and adultdex ... and started lots of business there.
slavdogg
11-27-2002, 05:32 AM
conventions are just like webmaster boards,
its what YOU make of it !
Originally posted by slavdogg@Nov 27 2002, 05:40 AM
conventions are just like webmaster boards,
If conventions are like webmaster boards, it would mean that Serge would be all over all of them! :nyanya:
Greetings,
Art
Sharpie
11-27-2002, 11:15 AM
A few points from the 'home front'
Have I ever done a show I have been happy with?
No.... things can always be better....
What are the goals when I do a show?
1. That the exhibitors and Sponsors get their money's worth, for the COST involved. 2. That the attendees have the ability to network easily, hopefully make some new deals that will enhance their business, and go home with fond memories.
What are NOT the goals:
To make the show so expensive that 'only the elite can attend, sponsor or exhibit. I believe that 'the Island gathering already fits that need very nicely.
Truths that are self evident: Established companies do NOT want to exhibit anymore. They will only do so under extreme pressure, to express egos, or 'to keep up with their competitiers. Baaa baaa...... You very seldom see the company owners hanging around the booth very long any more. They are tired of dealing with the 'grass roots, and soon form their own little groups to entertain themselves, and do business between themselves. It does not matter how big or how small the event is, there is no longer the same level of intermingling that many webmasters go to the shows for.
The conference part of most conventions are not well attended:
1. The day of sharing meaningful information is pretty much gone.
2. Attendees are too busy with networking, drinking, gambling, or SLEEPING.
Shows are what the particpiants make of them.
The exhibitor core sets the tone ......... entertainment or business. The sponsors look for a particuliar target group and do parties or receptions that will apeal to that segment.
The attendees have the choice of using it for a learning experience and a business builder, or the chance to meet friends and party. The wise have the disipline to do both.
So, why do I bother? Because I care! When I set in the hospitality areas and hear people tell me that they made the 'deal of their life, that one of my
shows changed their life, or changed the way they do buisness, I am momentarily rejuvinated that 'I made a difference. Many have supported me because they do not want to see a Adult show monopoly, and I am the only show company standing in the way of that happening. But, it all comes down to one thing: When it is not perceived by the exhibitors, the sponsors, or the attendees - that the shows make a difference......... then I no longer 'make a difference.......... and I am gone!
A show, any show, is what you make of it ! You can have attendance in the thousands and not get anything done, because of all the posturing and elite bullshit that is associated with it. The Tropicana may not be one of the Hot properties any longer , but it is affordable to most. Not all web masters make large. A show such as this one gives some of the smaller guys the opportunity , to rub shoulders with the Big Boys in a more relaxed atmosphere. Some of us seem to forget where we started! The shows to me, are about the sharing of ideas,whether you are a whale or a minnow!I think the new direction, and Ideas for the business, can come or will come from some one who dosent know any better, and says hey let me try this !I know for a fact there were other Large concerns in town brought in by the show,so There was business done! As there was at the show, and the parties that followed! Personally I liked it and will go back again, when it is on next year! I did post pics in a seperate thread, I think they capture the spirit of what it was all about !
Almighty Colin
11-27-2002, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Zebra@Nov 26 2002, 11:42 PM
What determines the quality of the show is how much busines you could get done.
I got plenty of business done at this show.
At some Internext shows you are so busy spinning around in circles you never get shit done. At the show last week the fact that there were no scheduled events after the seminars was a good thing because it allowed everyone to do what they wanted to and you could find the people you wanted to everynight in the party suites.
Why spend tens of thousands on a party that is so loud nobody can talk? The party suites seem to have been the best place to hook up at the last few shows. Maybe webmasters are changing the way they do things at show. I didn't really hear anyone who was at the show complaining.
Maybe one day Luke will realize he is an outsider and will finally leave porn reporting behind. In the words of the Beach Boys, "Wouldn't it be nice?"
KB pimping a porn ranch... who would have expected it? :rolleyes:
I've seen you "doing business". ;-)
It involves living at a dangerous level for 5 consecutive days and breaking every law and moral known to mankind. Wanna do it again?
Almighty Colin
11-27-2002, 02:23 PM
I could make a deal at the street corner down the road from here but there's not a very good chance I'd find a webmaster there. Porn conferences = good. Street corner = bad.
Almighty Colin
11-27-2002, 02:23 PM
I remember when soliciting business via email was not considered to be spamming.
:cdance: :bjump:
Zebra
11-27-2002, 02:24 PM
Colin - See you in 40 days ;)
Almighty Colin
11-27-2002, 02:42 PM
40 days and 40 nights. Rather biblical, ain't it?
Originally posted by Colin@Nov 27 2002, 11:31 AM
I could make a deal at the street corner down the road from here but there's not a very good chance I'd find a webmaster there. Porn conferences = good. Street corner = bad.
Colin You know, you spread the word everywhere !!http://www.fubarwebmastersadventures.com/miami2002/misc/383.JPG
Almighty Colin
11-27-2002, 02:59 PM
Now, THAT's networking! Roberto and I had an interesting conversation. He still thinks I'm a sinner but a "nice guy". I thought that was about right.
Originally posted by Colin@Nov 27 2002, 12:07 PM
Now, THAT's networking! Roberto and I had an interesting conversation. He still thinks I'm a sinner but a "nice guy". I thought that was about right.
he he he You Da Man......... I love that pic :rokk:
Sharpie
11-27-2002, 04:56 PM
Please indulge me a minute.......... when I see things like "Is this the end for Fay Sharp's Cybernet Expo?" I know that my marketing has certainly missed the mark...........! again.... :zzz:
I try my best to explain the show differences over and over, but it never seems to get through to people. For the yearly Las Vegas thing, we use the Cybernet Expo website - but it is called Cybernet Webmaster Events........ not to be confused with the Spring/summer show.
Maybe I should call it Cybernet Expo LITE.... The webmaster events during AdultDex were never meant to be a full blown expo (although it is as well attended as most webmaster get togethers happening around the world) It was started a few years back, as a networking opportunity , because so many of the webmasters were attending Comdex/AdultDex. I just threw together a few things to give them a meeting place and a few activities. It caught on, so I continued to provide it. Hells bells, if you signed up early - for $75 you got 3 days of food and drink, hospitality suites, conferences, a fun showroom, etc. It was never meant to be a $300 spectaular. Anyone who didn't get what they paid for - didn't try very hard and expected way too much for the minimal investment.
Fay honey, don't bother, and don't let KB's anonymous bullshit bug you either.
slavdogg
11-28-2002, 05:52 AM
btw, anyone else besides me recognised at the very end of last Soprano the hotel in Miami ?
it was the same hotel where last cybernet expo was held, i believe it was Riverside hilton
Winetalk.com
11-28-2002, 06:00 AM
Slav,
I never knew you were THAT deep into Sopranos
;_)
Mike AI
11-28-2002, 07:37 PM
Yeah Fay you knwo I have always been one to harass you and your show, but many people told me this one was a good one. I would had made it but I was house shopping in Tampa.
Slavv, the hotel did look familiar.... but I do not have that good of memory.
There was a decent turn out at Cybernet Expo... JFK's pics show that a lot of fun and networking was to be had if you went with the right attitude. More factual info. about the show can be found here http://www.ynotnews.com
Sharpie
11-29-2002, 07:15 PM
" There was a decent turn out at Cybernet Expo..."
OK - that does it! no more trying to market Cybernet Events at Las Vegas / it will always be Cybernet "Expo" to everyone. - so from now on it is to be Cybernet Lite. You know, like Bud light - fewer calories.
Mike, for CYBERNET LIGHT - anything between 100 - 200 webmasters and sponsors is fine, if they are the right group. Actually I thought the webmaster part was better last year. There were more people and more parties.
The showroom was more deversified and fun this year, but that really should have nothing to do with the webmaster part. But then, everything is judged by the way Internext does things.....
Bottomfeeders..... remember that? There are those who would resent the implication. Married life must agree with you.......... I even saw you getting all mushy about your staff. But then, if they watched my back and let me be independent of day to day responsibilities - I would get mushy more than once a year. 4 times a year would be good....... :-) :-)
Originally posted by Sharpie@Nov 29 2002, 04:23 PM
Bottomfeeders..... remember that? There are those who would resent the implication.
Only ones I know that would resent it, define it.
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