Mistreatment Of Terrorist?

[Mike AI]

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Does these photos bother you?

Apparently it is bothing liberals, and other anti-Americans.


Should terrorists be coddled? Should they get the same civil rights as we do?

Would these people extend the same courtesy to our troops? our civilians?

[mojobill]

Hell.. I think thats damn civilized! ;-)

They COULD have left the back flap down and NOT used the tie-downs.... THEn they would have a bitch!

They are TERRORISTS.. not friends, not citizens...... fuck em....

[Edd]

No kidding! they even got seatbelts and headphones to so they could hear the inflight movie! I don't see anything wrong with those pictures! Not much worse then the last time I flew ValueJet! :awinky:

[EricP]

Originally posted by Edd@Nov 8 2002, 04:54 PM
No kidding! they even got seatbelts and headphones to so they could hear the inflight movie! I don't see anything wrong with those pictures! Not much worse then the last time I flew ValueJet! :awinky:
HaHa!


No peanuts or beer?


Damn!

[-= JR =-]

i would say that they are lucky to be alive. they are only alive in most cases, because the US Troops prevented the Northern Alliance from killing them in the first place.

why cant someone thank the US for saving their lives?

[Hooper]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 8 2002, 04:44 PM
Apparently it is bothing liberals, and other anti-Americans.
so now liberals are anti-american?

let the propaganda and brainwashing begin!

[Edd]

Originally posted by Hooper+Nov 8 2002, 05:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hooper @ Nov 8 2002, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Nov 8 2002, 04:44 PM
Apparently it is bothering liberals, and other anti-Americans.
so now liberals are anti-american?

let the propaganda and brainwashing begin![/b][/quote]
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[MikeW]

"Not much worse then the last time I flew ValueJet!"
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No shit! and I could have used one of those bags on my head if you saw the lady I had to sit next to last time I flew valuejet!

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Originally posted by Hooper+Nov 8 2002, 05:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hooper @ Nov 8 2002, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mike AI@Nov 8 2002, 04:44 PM
Apparently it is bothing liberals, and other anti-Americans.
so now liberals are anti-american?

let the propaganda and brainwashing begin![/b][/quote]
Hooper, your right, they deserve First Class!
;-))

[Mike AI]

Hopper not ALL liberal, but most are Anti-American.

They support all the enemies of our country, they want to bring down all of our historial institutions, and bascily destroy this country from the inside. With their policial correctness, and other gabage.

Why don't democrates come out and claim they are liberal.... they always avoid the L word. BEcause the American people know that liberalls are dangerous.

Liberal want to cut our military so we could not defend ourseles, are more concerned about terrorist prinsoners then American Soldiers.

Hoop, I do not think YOU fall into this catagory, but most liberals do.

Liberals are appeasers, they want to bend over to Iraq... and any countried who hate the US.

[Winetalk.com]

..and as a Liberal,
I categorically protest if snipers get electric chair in a room with no view of the ocean!

I applaud the Federal Government for chosing Virginia who has ocean line thus assurung the nice view to both!

[ulfie]

Ship them up here, we need some speed bumps on our street due to a couple of crazy kids.

[voodooman]

We could come up with a new Jackass Movie, starring the terrorists.

Do things like 220V to their nuts
Mikita Heat gun, highest setting to their eye balls
Hydrocloric Acid Apple Bobbing contest
There are so many fun things that could be done, and
Not one of them IMHO would be mistreatment.

[Gabriel]

Here's a stupid question.

Are those "diapers" under the terrorists?

[voodooman]

BTW, those photos dont bother me one bit.
Hell, they gave them ear protection what
more could the liberals want?
<_<

[GregP]

The only thing that bothers me about that picture of the terrorists is that they are not lying dead with bullet holes in them.

[voodooman]

They need to be tortured to death GregP.

A bullet is to good and easy for these fucks.

[GregP]

Very true, torture would be a better ending for them

[Tonda_WEGCash]

Those are blue adult diapers underneath them. HA HA HA HA HA


Gabe how the hell did you know this???? IS there somehting you want to tell us?

[Hooper]

The only thing i'm liberal about is freedom of speech and the right to choose.. other than that i consider myself extremely conservative regarding fiscal policies and social issues.

[Mike AI]

Then Hoop we are on the same page.

I do not think the gov;t should be in your pocket book, OR your bedroom, and surely should not tell a woman what do with her future.

NOW I do not think that the gov;t should pay for abortions, I thin partial birth abortions is wrong, but after that gov't should stay out - at least the FEDErAL gov't. It should be a State issue.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 8 2002, 05:38 PM
Hopper not ALL liberal, but most are Anti-American.

They support all the enemies of our country, they want to bring down all of our historial institutions, and bascily destroy this country from the inside. With their policial correctness, and other gabage.

Why don't democrates come out and claim they are liberal.... they always avoid the L word. BEcause the American people know that liberalls are dangerous.

Liberal want to cut our military so we could not defend ourseles, are more concerned about terrorist prinsoners then American Soldiers.

Hoop, I do not think YOU fall into this catagory, but most liberals do.

Liberals are appeasers, they want to bend over to Iraq... and any countried who hate the US.
Mikey ... just out of curiousity, have you ever used the words "Some of my best friends are ..." in anything but a sarcastic manner? I've heard that all my life from hypocrites who are about to explain that they mean what they say but they don't mean what they are saying ABOUT YOU, and it damn sure sounds like what you are communicating to Hooper. Now, I don't care if you think I'm an enemy of the people. Hell's bells, the one and only time I ever sent a Western Union telegram it was to Richard Nixon asking to be included on his enemy list. Morone has already indicated that he thinks I believe in a foreign ideology; if you think like he does, well, fine; better people have thought worse things of me.

See Mike, you get really testy if somebody suggests that a right wing view is facist. You get upset if someone compares a conservative view with the Nazis. You get your testicles in an uproar if someone suggests that the religious right has their boy in the White House. Yet you don't hesitate to induldge in the same sort of hyperbole about people who disagree with you, and in spite of the repeated denials you constantly issue about me - or in this case, Hooper - you keep posting your true feelings. Are there people on the left who are as you describe? Yep. Are there people on the right who are just as evil? Yep. How many buildings have been blown up in the last ten years by left-wing liberals, Mike?

About half this country is to the left, Mikey; the resounding mandate you were celebrating just the other day was an average of 52-48%. Now granted, that's a damn site better than the mandate of -1,000,000 your boy got last time; still, anyone with even a lowly public school education knows that the American electorate can swing a damn site farther than 2% in a very short time. If the economy is still sputtering in two years, or we get hit by the terrorist while we're busy nationbuilding in Iraq, your beloved Republican patriots could be replaced with folks you consider to be anti-American.

So maybe you better head for the hills of Montana, or just up the road to Arkansas, and go into training with folks like the Michigan Militia. When you make blanket statements like "most are Anti-American" when you are referring to your own fellow citizens, then that's who you are sounding like. They share your opinion of liberals, and they decry the horrible place that this nation has become. They also know better than the rest of us what being a "true American" is. One of their boys has already shown how he feels about America. And it's beginning to look more and more like they've found an ally in their struggle to bring this country back to what they think it should be.

[Edd]

PD..... dude..... have a drink and relax.... :awinky:

[PornoDoggy]

Shit, I just took two days off ... I am relaxed. :D Just getting a little tired of this bullshit questioning the patriotism of people you don't agree with, that's all. I don't listen to that shit from crackpots on the left who think everything is a capitalist plot, and if we just feel the pain of the poor suffering 3rd world victims of U.S. Imperialism we can sing ku-by-yah and live in peace and harmony with the cosmos, either. Moron does not fall left or right ... it just is.

Maybe some of the people who question the treatment of the prisoners are niave. Maybe some of them think the United States has an obligation to act in a way that distinguishes them from the terrorists we're fighting. I don't think that anyone who suggests we give ANY quarter while in battle deserves the time it takes to dismiss them. Once we've caught them, however, how we treat them and what we do with them is and SHOULD BE a topic for discussion among reasonable men.

It's one thing to belive something strongly in the face of opposition. It's quite another to start claiming that everyone who disagrees with you is a dangerous enemy. You start in with the blanket condemnation of those you disagree with as an enemy of the country, you start to sound too god damned much like Saddam Hussein or Timmy McVeigh to me.

You should see me when I'm hyper.

[Torone]

Pd,
Chill out, guy! I understand your bitterness at losing two elections in a row; but if the Dems had been honest and had run on the issues, the outcome might have been different.

As for the pics of the AL QAEDA prisoners aboard the plane, I think they were being very humanely restrained. These people are part of a group that attacked and BIT TO DEATH an American CIA agent, remember? They were restrained in such a manner as to render them powerless as well as preventing them from being flung around the plane in turbulence. Alternatively, I suppose they COULD have been drugged and stacked (I wouldn't even have saved them from the Northern Alliance, myself). I wonder if any of the Chechnyan terrorists survived the incident in Russia.
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[Torone]

Further, if you Dems continue comparing Conservatives to people like So Damn Insane and McVeigh, you are going to lose a lot more elections. The American people are aware that McVeigh was NOT what Clinton , et al tried to paint him as. He was a terrorist who apparently trained in an Al Qaeda camp in Northern OK. Comparing us to the other guy will only cause great anger. After all, McDermitt and Bonoir were Dems, NOT Republicans or Conservatives. Jackson is also a Dem. What else is there to say? Daschle even seems to have adapted the old saying popular among the Arabs..."The enemy of my enemy is my friend.".

JFK would have had certain Dems disappeared, and that would have been that; but then, he was a different sort of Democrat. I noticed that they didn't even try to use his memory in this election. Wonder why? Could it be because he was closer to being a Conservative than a 'Progressive'?

[PornoDoggy]

Torone, I live through the elections of Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and a number of defeats of various and sundry congressmen, senators, and governors. I will live through the temporary (and hopefully VERY short term) setback of last Tuesday just fine. I'm very disappointed, of course. But as an amateur student of politics I can't help but admire the narrow victory Bush pulled off on Tuesday. He did an excellent job of exploiting some rather unique circumstances. We'll know in 20 or 30 years whether it was a historical achievement or a historical anomaly. In the meantime, I would suggest you crunch a few numbers before you continue to celebrate the Texas-style landslide your beloved Bush and Republicans have enjoyed in the last two elections.

Chill out? Torone, as you know well, I've gotten a little hot under the collar whenever you have gone off into your personal la-la land and started questioning my patiriotism. I repeat what I have said repeatedly ... I am very suspicious of zealots who profess that those that disagree with me must have evil intent. You don't seem to hesitate to draw an analogy between a liberal politician and the worst Marxist criminals the world has ever known. So I find your objection to me pointing out the linkage between the language of some Oprano posters and that of McVeigh and Hussein just a little laughable.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Torone@Nov 9 2002, 09:58 AM
Further, if you Dems continue comparing Conservatives to people like So Damn Insane and McVeigh, you are going to lose a lot more elections. The American people are aware that McVeigh was NOT what Clinton , et al tried to paint him as. He was a terrorist who apparently trained in an Al Qaeda camp in Northern OK. Comparing us to the other guy will only cause great anger. After all, McDermitt and Bonoir were Dems, NOT Republicans or Conservatives. Jackson is also a Dem. What else is there to say? Daschle even seems to have adapted the old saying popular among the Arabs..."The enemy of my enemy is my friend.".

JFK would have had certain Dems disappeared, and that would have been that; but then, he was a different sort of Democrat. I noticed that they didn't even try to use his memory in this election. Wonder why? Could it be because he was closer to being a Conservative than a 'Progressive'?
What possible difference would the fact that McVeigh took aid from al Qaida make on what McVeigh was? CNN interviewed a writer yesterday who has an article in this month's "Vanity Fair"(?) suggesting that there is a series of South American al Qaida training camps, and that individuals from organizations such as the Aryan Nation and the Michigan Militia have trained there. I haven't read it yet, but I will before today is out.

You spew out baseless bullshit about Dashcle adopting the old saying popular among the Arabs..."The enemy of my enemy is my friend." What is your proof that Daschle is an enemy of America, Torone? What does it have to do with the rapidly growing body of evidence pointing to a link between the extreme right - not Bush, not Hatch, not Hassert, but the idiot fringe - and al Qaida?

I'll be the first to admit that when you first suggested a link between Islamic fundamentalism and the likes of McVeigh, I dismissed it outright. I'm starting to wonder if I was correct in doing that. Yet one more classic example of the differences between us - I never hesitate to admit I'm wrong, and I'm always open to learning, even being willing to look at sources of information I pray I can put in a brown paper bag before I leave the store.

I find your attempts to distance McVeigh from the right amusing, yet very telling. Should more evidence be uncovered linking the militias and the Aryans to foreign terrorists, you will undoubtedly try desperately to find some way to turn him around and make a liberal, which will be fun to watch. While I am more than willing to admit there are, or were, thoroughly dangerous people on the extreme left, you seem to deny the existence of the extreme right. Why is that? Too close for comfort, perhaps?

Read my lips, Torone ... while I can foam at the mouth in my disagreement with them, I do NOT think that genuine American Conservatives (including Bush, Hatch, and Hassert) are like Hussein or McVeigh, and I've never said they were. I think there are people on the right posting on this board who are prone to the rhetoric of Hussein or McVeigh - you most prominently, but there are others. I’ve made some pointed remarks to draw out what people mean when they use that rhetoric.

You got a problem that? Deal with it.



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Nov 9 2002, 10:50 AM

[Torone]

Pd,
You need to get out more! I'm NOT one who is saying anything about a landslide. However, by the (historical) changes this election wrought, the effect is actually beyond a landslide. Can we say, "Presidency, House of Representatives, AND Senate"? Hell's Jingling Bells! A President can win by a landslide; but be able to accomplish nothing if a @$%^&@# like Tom Daschle is in power in the Legislature. Checks and Balances? They're still there; but the obstructionism is gone (Let's stop calling it gridlock.).

I repeat, it WAS Dems who went to the Middle East and embraced people like Hussein, et al. Of course, that doesn't mean that every Dem voter is anti-American; because most are so brainwashed that they believe that peace can be negotiated (N. Korea is proof enough for most people that that is a fallacy).

[PornoDoggy]

However, by the (historical) changes this election wrought

Historical change? Technically yes, since it is unusual for Presidents to gain in off-year elections. I repeat ... we won't know for years whether it was a historical achievement or a historical anomaly. One party controlling the Predidency and both Houses of Congress is hardly a historical achievement, although it has been rare for the past couple decades when the President is a Republican. I may be wrong on this, because I am basing it on memory, not research.

A President can win by a landslide; but be able to accomplish nothing if a @$%^&@# like Tom Daschle is in power in the Legislature.

Now, let's be a little less partisan here for a minute, okay? Daschle acted NO differently under Bush than Lott did under Clinton. Judges proceded through the Senate under the Democrats as exactly the same pace as they did under the Republicans during the six years prior. Those remarks will get an "Amen" from the Republican choir around here, don't even use them on me ... how dare those politicians act like politicians? Is that what you are saying? Even you usually do better than that.

And you want to talk about brainwashing, do you? That's rich. I live in a country that is as free as any nation has ever been, but to hear some folks talk, the police state is about to be imposed on them. I live in a country with a free and unfettered press - yet to listen to some folks they are incapable of truth and it's all about mind control and manipulation. I live in a country where more and more people enjoy a level of economic achievement unheard of in the history of the world, but there is chronic wailing and lamentation of the crushing burden of taxes.

You talking about brainwashing, Torone, is like Bill Clinton talking about compulsive sexual disorder - your expertise lies in recognition of your own symptoms.

[Vick]

If you are going to continue these wonderful discussions can you please post links to FACTS that support your positions

[ulfie]

PD, you made the statement "How many buildings have been blown up in the last ten years by left-wing liberals"? The animal rights wackos on the left have burned and destroyed quite a few research facilities. Each side has its' wacko element.

[Mike AI]

There is more and more evidence that McVeigh was working with Iraqi agents... I have always been skeptical of this, but more and more information is coming out about it. I am not big on conspiracy theories - BUT.... There is a legitimate chance that IRaq and otehr muslim terrorists were the ones behind the OK City bombings...

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by ulfie@Nov 9 2002, 11:36 AM
PD, you made the statement "How many buildings have been blown up in the last ten years by left-wing liberals"? The animal rights wackos on the left have burned and destroyed quite a few research facilities. Each side has its' wacko element.
You are quite right. I guess I forgot that because the body count from OKC kinda obscures it.

There is more and more evidence that McVeigh was working with Iraqi agents... I have always been skeptical of this, but more and more information is coming out about it. I am not big on conspiracy theories - BUT.... There is a legitimate chance that IRaq and otehr muslim terrorists were the ones behind the OK City bombings...


I draw a distinction between behind it and aiding it, and I think that distinction is extremely important. I think that suggesting Tim McVeigh acted only as an agent of the Iraqi government is a pretty radical leap based on the sketchy information I've seen. I'd put anyone who suggests that the government has known it and hidden it in the same class of lunitic that thinks Bush "knew about" 9/11. If in fact Tim McVeigh did get Arab assistance, which is still purely spectulation, it would mean NOTHING regarding whatever muddle-headed political purposes he had in mind. There have been stranger bedfellows than the Aryan Nation or militia mutants (as examples only) and al Qaida.

If you are going to continue these wonderful discussions can you please post links to FACTS that support your positions


Information on political control of the Presidency and Congress can be found at this CNN page (http://money.cnn.com/2002/11/07/markets/republican_history/). Information on McVeigh links to Arab terrorists can be found on Google - the credibility of most of it is "suspect" by any generous assesment. However, more information appears to be coming out from a variety of sources, both left and right; and mainstream media is poking at it more and more.

[Torone]

"Information on political control of the Presidency and Congress can be found at this CNN page."

Aaah, yes! The good old Communist News Network, AKA the main printed organ of the Left... :moon:

[PornoDoggy]

I feel very, very sorry for you ...

[-= JR =-]

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[Vick]

Nice pix JR !


Thought about it for about 12 seconds and .......
WHY is anyone taking these pictures and
WHY are they available to the general public to see and
WHO wants to see these pictures and
WHO cares about how PRISONERS are treated

Duh

[Cal]

The N. Alliance definitely wins the abuse awards for packing Taliban into trucks and letting them suffocate. Those Al Qaeda (if that's who they ARE, we're going on limited information of course) seem pretty ridiculously restrained, looks like they packed them up in a Ryder van for shipping with all the webbing and restraints.

I don't think it's terribly cruel and unusual, how else are you supposed to transport particularly dangerous POWs. The Taliban who were finally released from Guantanamo said they were not mistreated at all, which is a testament to our armed services.

There is a reason we have the Geneva Convention (though the US has some wacky self-policy on certain issues of international arms) and I don't think it's exactly fair to blame every Taliban fighter for killing Americans. Many of those held in Cuba were not guilty of even firing a shot at US soldiers, or participating in combat. But overall I think the treatment of the Taliban/Al Qaeda we captured was pretty decent considering the circumstances.

C.